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Кирилл Сызранский 13.02.2014 20:50

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Сообщение от Solnce (Сообщение 2998051)
I do not advocate Basner I to this media hype not heard about it.

And do not climb, I advise you, disassemble here this thing: You do not know much about him, never had never seen him so participants and infer from your posts about the art market, too, have a superficial judgment
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Solnce 13.02.2014 20:58

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 2998041)
Sorry, but we need to repeat : of these persons that these two paintings , knew exactly Basner (since she took this picture when transferring it to the museum ) . Other participants in the chain may not be aware of this . Artist manufacturer forgery could not know that it will be sold as the original - he ordered a copy . Otherwise, all copyists so you can blame. If he was given a quality photograph and ordered resolution. And the size of the original , he could not know.
Because , theoretically , a copy should be 10cm . smaller than the original , because of the danger of substitution of the original copy ... On this occasion were in the period of perestroika in the Hermitage disassembly even seem Politkovskaya wrote about it .

Thank you for a nice addition. Respecting copyist would not repeat size . I'm not talking about the copyist that he is guilty . Although, I think in that workshop constantly make copies . The man who orders a copy DIRECTLY copyist offender . In other countries , too, put copyists . But the range of villains ever moved in the right direction - who is the customer copy (if a copy of the course, and not a sketch or repetition ) .

But , I can not believe that art dealers scams materials give fakes . Well , especially Basner - not the poor girl , everything is there from birth. Wrong, prove negligence can , but that would carry materials Aronson ? <! - ~ 3 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2998091)
So do not climb , I advise you , disassemble here this thing is you do not know much about him , never had never seen him so participants and infer from your posts , about the art market also have a superficial judgment .

You go to the individual - it's a bad sign.
You do not like what I'm version organizers of this case and the PR firm in the media do not think the only true .
You want to keep one charge and for some reason you comfortable that would not seek criminals engaged in selective prosecution and art critic .
And you did not answer the question "Do you buy the painting for 250,000 without examination ? " , I will answer - I have asked three examination Museum, the State Tretyakov Gallery and the Grabar .

Кирилл Сызранский 13.02.2014 21:07

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Сообщение от Solnce (Сообщение 2998121)
I can not believe that art dealers scams materials give fakes.
Well, especially Basner - not the poor girl, everything is there from birth.

Do not judge by yourself.

Сашенька 13.02.2014 21:15

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Сообщение от Solnce (Сообщение 2998121)
but that would carry materials Aronson?


You did not think about that when your lady materialization Aronson just sit?
And there is a chance at neé until ...
All camarilla not take ...

Solnce 13.02.2014 21:18

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2998151)
Do not judge by yourself .

Are you sure that some Estonian recidivist Aronson, who even in St. Petersburg has never visited , is relevant to this scam ? <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Yes, as already discussed above , and someone threw a link . Do Maksimovskaya Vasilyev said edzil to Aronson and that there is something about him that the picture had long told . Vasiliev himself said it. Yes, more like somewhere flashed in the press that Basner with Aronson on Bukovsky met . Here certainly an interesting topic . As they rather big picture and carry the cash across the border . But it is the special services question.

Кирилл Сызранский 13.02.2014 21:19

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Сообщение от Solnce (Сообщение 2998121)
You go to the individual - a bad sign.

What is wrong?

You forgive, it is woven from the air in this topic, and I think no accident.

I personally and you say - you poor defender Basner is here.

Solnce 13.02.2014 21:26

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2998241)
What 's wrong ?
You forgive , it is woven from the air in this topic , and I think no accident.
I personally and you say - you poor defender Basner is here.

Thank you, Your observation is laudable , the left ever written.
And you do not come to the idea that this hysteria with Basner in the media and attracted people?
I do not advocate Basner , I myself will be interesting to listen to them . Important to me that the investigation had not turned into a UK gangster return to the concepts of " you hurt me , I trusted you , bad girl " <! - 6 ~ ~ ->

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Сообщение от Sasha (Сообщение 2998181)
You did not think about that when your lady materialization Aronson just sit ? And there is a chance at neé until ... All camarilla do not take ...

It is not exactly my lady <! - ~ 7 ~ -> Even maybe I just Basner harming your needs or who find Aronson there all this filth on the market throws . Let's just say - my lady Justice .
I wish that would be exterminated manufacturers of fakes , and not enough easily accessible art , resellers , publishers and other participants earning chains. Difficult to understand, but - should be <! - 6 ~ ~ ->
What many here do not like Basner and love planting, do not understand ?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2998241)
What 's wrong ?
You forgive , it is woven from the air in this topic , and I think no accident.
I personally and you say - you poor defender Basner is here.

I hate that you are not in the subject , but continued to occupy the empty talking shop at the attendants at the entrance.
At first it was fun , then bored already , and now it's your water pounding in a mortar annoying.
OK , continue , but without me .

Why do not you, if you have any news, except that everywhere Vasilyev told or any thought, except that Basner crook it on TV have said . Please tell us . I ask for your opinion - why all these elderly highly experienced dealers do not pass the examination on the image ?

khmelev 13.02.2014 21:47

Lord , for disputes about Aronson Basner and other detective stories we forget the main thing - the museum. As I understand it , the investigation least interested in the problems of "good Jew " Vasiliev , whose perseverance broke into a wall. It can be used for the benefit of society and in other endeavors <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
A little bird , and any market participant , and so figure out that Grigorieva forge even in the 90s did not make sense . So probably bullshit new, original was not present , and the latest computer technology make it possible to compute the set of points that one thing delalals other. So, we must batter museum , and there and the prospect of change of power not far away.
  This banal topic when fiddling in essence becomes an occasion casus belli, where the strongest wins

Сашенька 13.02.2014 22:52

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Сообщение от khmelev; 2998361"
should peck Museum

Museum, in the first half , " got rid " of both - prichém Basner possible in the past ( 2003)
A " dig " is worth before entering the large auction " Crown " ( genuine ) with Malevich Saryan , because in their uniqueness ostaétsya latest niche - to attribute . Smoke certainly thinner, but idét . <! - ~ 6 ~ ->

khmelev 13.02.2014 22:59

I think that now can not escape from the " accursed questions " . Half of the employees, " ear " shares concerns that they falshak . So to do an independent forensic examination . Well how come there something wrong . And then hung in the air really tough questions .
  Helen still idiot who would not say <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Such issues are resolved privately, face to face , and not under the lights


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