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Кирилл Сызранский 14.07.2010 18:57


tchaika 14.07.2010 19:18


Евгений 14.07.2010 19:28

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Сообщение от tchaika (Сообщение 1194072)
Do you not agree?

I do not agree that-be to kill it ..
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Sharia Judge of Saudi Arabia Sheikh Salih Ibn al-Luheydan said that the owners of satellite TV channels are broadcasting programs are immoral, it is permissible to kill.
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Mickey Mouse has a corrupting influence, and therefore must die, says a prominent representative of the Muslim clerics from Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Muhammad Munadzhid
Dear, as you mouse (Mickey Mouse) do not mind ...?

Кирилл Сызранский 14.07.2010 19:46

Rat on a tray.
 
Filmets 1963 on the grounds telling Arcadia Averchenko of the avant-garde exhibition in 1912.

Peter 14.07.2010 21:18

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 1193892)
Dmitry Vrubel (artist) (author blog).
... What is happening - no more than an ideological or aesthetic issue. There is one position, there is another. And it is absolutely normal. It's completely normal that there are people who hate modern art. Not only in Russia - the world ...
Read more: http://dmitrivrubel.livejournal.com/

And why modern, new, etc. Art must be associated only with some trash, decay and immorality. (otherwise modern?) Why do people, artists and curators, and those who give the money just do not be ashamed of yourself if it were not judged this would be normal? I am surprised position of the defenders, or rather their odnostoronnest.Vse against the State's position (it is still possible to understand), but did approve of all such "art" with the normal, moral human positions? something I have not heard at least this: "Yes, it is immoral, not ethically and in a pig, but the state also should not be ... "Or in our society dopustma any dirt under the Criminal Code? Or CC outdated? Or a society ...

Кирилл Сызранский 14.07.2010 21:22

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1194362)
I have something not heard at least this: "Yes, it is immoral, unethical and not a pig, but the state also should not be ..."

And who are we to judge the artists, that is used. In this manner, "immoral," "a pig"?

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1194362)
Why do people, artists and curators, and those who give the money elementarily not ashamed?

What's so shameful?
We collected pictures of different artists, different time, united only by the fact that they, these pictures earlier banned for showing different vystavkomy or removed from the show, as removed from the exhibition Russian Pop Art in the Tretyakov Gallery that caviar Kosolapov.
The purpose of the exhibition and discussion of zapreshenii, censorship, self-censorship, as allowed, etc.

SergeiSK 14.07.2010 21:38

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1194362)
Why are modern, new, etc. art should be associated only with some trash, decay and immorality. (otherwise not modern?)

Because it is now fashionable, cool ... And even an adult uncle, all his life selling third-rate socialist realism and ustakanivshiysya on the principles and ideals, it also dramatically alters the orientation and he begins to "like" Forbidden Art ". Due to the fact that it did not consider it backward.
Journalist Glance Maxim Sokolov even before the start of the process:
"The verdict would have been, of course, disliked by placing two elderly men in detention because they played badly and they had neither the intellect nor the heart to the simplest" I'm sorry, not very well work out. More will not. What once would have removed all the questions and would guarantee an excuse, but it is true, it would be a terrible blow for colleagues in their genre and the genre in general. After all, the meaning of the latter lies in the fact that the modern artist in his experiments by definition can not play too long. In contrast, the steeper and sadche - the better ».
Andrew Archangel, the cultural editor of the journal Ogonyok:
"Granted, our society is already far enough advanced in terms of understanding: it is already, for example, knows that « artist deliberately provoked, "or that" the artist can barking dog, and that's fine. And while in the shower most of the view that "so everyone can draw, but this was not aloud to say, feel that this" backward glance ", and prefer looking at the next abstraction oil on calico, to admit that "something in that is. What a horrible way such art is considered "cool" - so to hell with it, we are ready to admit that we, too, was cool.
That is, in fact, our society is not so bad, except for one point: one for himself can not explain convincingly to prove what good is it art community? And especially why "offending, why bash on" holy "? For what purpose? What's the point? "

Peter 14.07.2010 21:39

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1194392)
And who are we to judge the artists, that is used. In this manner, "immoral," "a pig"?

We are the people, particularly educated from childhood who have parents who are street, who the church, who Mayakovsky (Remember "What is good?") We are people who have the responsibility and civic pozitsiya.My can express their suzhdenie.Ne all as judges at the mercy, the courts we go nedovolny.Da and not all artists are good people, and not all of their products fall under the term "art".

SergeiSK 14.07.2010 21:56

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1192992)
No, Surkov himself wrote under the pseudonym Nathan Dubovitskii.

The writer was prolific:
Author Okolonolya "wrote a new novel
Magazine Russian Pioneer will publish the new novel Dubovitskij Nathan, author of the work, Okolonolya, RIA Novosti reported with reference to the chief editor of the journal Andrei Kolesnikov. Number, which will be published the first part of the novel "The machine is great and, or simplification of Dublin, goes on sale in late July.
Name Nathan Dubovitskij, writer, novice, became widely known after the media announced that under the alias hides the first deputy head of presidential administration Vladislav Surkov. Sam is not an official confirmed, and several times expressed opinions about the novel, changing its assessment to the contrary. Also available information, that in private conversations Surkov admitted authorship.
Kolesnikov said that was not expecting to return Dubovitskij literary work: "At least he did not make those plans, and for me, 'Cars and Great' has become 'the bomb'. I think he's such a stand, and for readers."
"The new novel, like the last, he came to me in connection to the public channel of communication with Nathan Dubovitskii - via e-mail - said Kolesnikov. - What I got, actually, is it the beginning of applying for an epic sequel, which the author offers readers append with him. However, Nathan Dubovitskii in the cover letter states that in his head the whole novel is already fully formed. But this does not negate the fact that the journal will be published and the best reading version.
"In essence, this epic of modern Russia and its environment. Language in the novel even more complex and metaphorical, as in 'Okolonolya.' That is the author of all this, he worked on himself," - noted Glavred "Pioneer." According to him, the author's definition of the genre "Cars" - gaga saga ("Okolonolya" had a subtitle gangsta fiction).
(Lenta.Ru)

artcol 14.07.2010 21:57

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1194452)
We are the people, particularly educated from childhood who have parents who are street, who the church, who Mayakovsky (Remember "What is good?") We are people who have the responsibility and civic pozitsiya.My can pronounce . Not everyone is relegated to the judges, the courts we go nedovolny.Da and not all artists are good people, but not all of their products fall under the term "art".

Court - it is actually a forum. It's a civilized form of conflict resolution, disputes, etc. Well, one side wants to show the kind of taboo or forbidden arts, and the other considers it unacceptable to some of its TZ Agreeing can not /do not want. Please to the court - he decides. Can gloat, you can sympathize, but it is a good precedent.


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