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Артём 01.09.2013 22:19

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Сообщение от Guardian of dill 2741331
what actually happens at our famous traditions ..

Here, here.)))

Peter 01.09.2013 22:20

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Сообщение от Keeper dill 2741331
This tells you the state scale of the individual <! - ~ 1 ~ -> . All right, but where to find a good Samaritan who to invest is not a child in the creation of infrastructure for one fifth of the world - our Motherland !

We are all created when there is an opportunity to "mix with the interests of private pockets ," farm "<! - ~ 1 ~ -> .

Seriy 01.09.2013 22:28

Guardian of dill, is not really the money is not enough, and people - organizers, captured this idea. There is no one to do it , that's all ... We and the All-Russian Exhibition of artists, open to everyone - no. Or something like Summer Exhibition of Royal Academy /Again , I'm sure the money would be given under it . But we have the position of Minister of Culture can not find a sensible , that there is about a lower level of say ...
And what makes you think that you need a lot of money to spare ? Ten people will staff and several auctions per month. And you can buy the work . State buys a U.S. private loans to buy homes through a specially created private enterprises , it does not allow the market to fall. And polubankrotov buys treasury shares , then , while improving the conjuncture , sells , and even boil . Could well support prices by 100 artists. And then everything works as MMM- in itself . Actually, it had a big art- world -price support for their artists , and do not live in poverty .

Кирилл Сызранский 01.09.2013 22:29

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should be a system of buying patterns in the population (do not laugh ! ), Where the appraiser specialist recommends for a picture worth taking into account all obstoyatelstv.Dalee . Possibility of resale " selected the best" dealers that it is " the best" or resell the next " top echelon " or sell at retail through untwisted publicized art spaces (possibly auction ), where all the same VAL should rule ( the mass of the people will be involved , and profits will go to the most number of sales ).

- Who do we have to pay such a fortune ?
Vasyukintsy ...

     - What there vasyukintsy ! Vasyukintsy not have money to pay
will . They will be in their lu - chat ! It's all very
simple. After the tournament with the participation of the greatest veltmeysterov
gather chess fans all over the world. hundreds
thousands of people , rich wealthy people will seek
in Vasyuki .
( c) < ! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Pavel 02.09.2013 08:04

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Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 2741261)
Exactly Pavel, bullshit.
You and I, yes we are with you.

That's when these poor buyers will be able to prodaat bought from you, then.

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 2741301)
should be a system of buying patterns in the population (do not laugh!), Where the appraiser specialist recommends for a picture worth taking into account all the circumstances

And without buying through the auction can not be.?

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Сообщение от Buscador (Сообщение 2741201)
Hold on ...

Yes I said.

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 2741301)
Single and expensive depart galleries.

A gallery should not be greedy and buy at auction.

Peter 02.09.2013 08:16

Another : the dispensation of the Art Festival on mass sports days and not inferior to the Universiade with an invitation to an art audience and guests from abroad, extensive media coverage , the site visit was designed for the thousands of people who can buy your favorite proizvedeniya.Ploschadi indoor sports palaces and other organizers -state and private companies , revenue from advertising, beer and sosisek , but still you can think of what ( inexpensive ticket ? ) . growing prestige of the state , the culture of the masses , the earnings for all ! Give us !

Pavel 02.09.2013 08:16

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 2741311)
Pavel, my dear Paul , I can not speak for everyone, rely only on personal experience. My personal experience is that you can significantly increase the cost and the amount of sales of any talented artist , with the understanding and use of marketing skills. That's all <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
In this case, I do not need any government support or special auctions . Only the artist's talent and marketing skills a sales promoter. However, there is still a 12 -promoted criteria , but this theme of the third film .

I treat you with respect not think that, once you exclude the public from the process . You take a talented artist and look for him a suitable buyer process is closed , which means the price you assign an artist and the buyer must be running on this work comes to an end , commerce begins . And if the artist is talented, he will change and sometimes so abruptly that her oh , actually it's scope to raise prices on the artist , and the scheme he falls out of the circle. While the case.

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 2741591)
Another : the dispensation of the Art Festival on mass sports days and not inferior to the Universiade with an invitation to an art audience and guests from abroad, extensive media coverage , the site visit was designed for the thousands of people who can buy your favorite proizvedeniya.Ploschadi indoor sports palaces , etc. The organizers of -state and private companies , revenue from advertising, beer and sosisek , but still you can think of chego.Rastet prestige of the state , the culture of the masses , the earnings for all ! Give us !

Here I completely agree. Comparisons to artists and the state may receive a small percentage of the sale of paintings . The public, all for the public.
France hosts the annual Autumn Salon . He was held near the Eiffel Tower on the waterfront. The room is temporary , prefabricated , but spacious. From there came all the famous artists of France.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 2741381)
- Who do we have to pay such a fortune ?
Vasyukintsy ...

     - What there vasyukintsy ! Vasyukintsy not have money to pay
will . They will be in their lu - chat ! It's all very
simple. After the tournament with the participation of the greatest veltmeysterov
gather chess fans all over the world. hundreds
thousands of people , rich wealthy people will seek
in Vasyuki .
( c) < ! - ~ 7 ~ ->
- How much money do I need to ... this ... telegram ?
     - Funny figure - said Ostap - one hundred rubles.
     - We have in hand only twenty-one rubles sixteen
kopecks. This, of course , we know far enough ...
     But GM was agreeable organizer.
     - Well, - he said - let your twenty rubles.
     - And that's enough ? - Asked the one-eyed .
     - On the primary telegrams enough. And then begins
influx of donations, and have nowhere to do with money ! ..
( c) < ! - ~ 7 ~ ->

It is necessary to tell the French. <! - ~ 7 ~ -> <! - ~ 7 ~ -> <! - ~ 7 ~ -> COP, the book is wonderful, and its something? Weak?

iosif 02.09.2013 08:41

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Сообщение от Keeper dill 2741331

In the words of a classic: " Who are the judges ? " . For you and Mr. Canareykina it talent, but for Mr and Mr Suhodrischeva Chemodanova - " talentless muff " .. and how to be ?

Just the thing is that personal preferences are not important. One marketer of art close one to each other. Sympathizers among 150 million there for both. My conclusion - the talented artists will be enough for everyone. Would be enough marketers <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
We'll work on it : write articles and textbooks, lecture (already doing it and still have a decent offer).
This is , in my opinion, the recipe for saving the market.

Seriy 02.09.2013 09:53

For many years, the government supports the cinema by handing over a million dollars , like the earlier 400 million handed out , now I do not know how much. Why not support the artists? because no one else wanted to do it. Glazunov , Tsereteli , apparently, and so well.
And other variables level of Nikita Mikhalkov's not. A million dollars you can arrange this Autumn Salon annually to the auction for the sale of all exposed ! there is no one to do ...

Артём 02.09.2013 09:59

Forum storytellers about wizards.

Хранитель укропа 02.09.2013 10:05

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 2741661)
Just the main thing is that personal preferences are not important. One marketer of art close one to each other. Sympathizers among 150 million there for both. My conclusion - the talented artists will be enough for everyone. Would be enough marketers <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
We'll work on it : write articles and textbooks, lecture (already doing it and still have a decent offer).
This is , in my opinion , the recipe rescue the market .

Near here almost at the site Newsland, very different mood wafted over the masses .. for your curiosity. One of the correct judgment ..
kamrat responsible Prussia : " The country is dying out , trillions of dollars are taken out , the industry is destroyed , agriculture in the pen, decaying housing, business levies imposed itself in Russia knee-elbow position.
Socio - economic life of society struck penetrating corruption , arrogance officials, moral - moral and physical degradation of entire populations.
In Russia, the world's largest division of society into rich and poor. Federal State Statistics Service has estimated that the number of poor in Russia grew in 2012 by more than 2 million people and reached 21.1 million is the number of those of our citizens who live on the cost of living in 6505 rubles a month.
The poor and the marginalized in the country ( like the heroes of the play Gorky's "The Lower Depths ") - 7%of persons below the poverty line - 21 %. At risk of poverty - 17%. Next is the low-income group - 25%. Our senior citizens are dying , rising social inequality , the middle class clamped round eerie red tape , corruption - all this sucking juices from our country.
Russia turned into an empire of cash. People who are at the helm, is driven by self-interest and only megalomania . "

It is , however , contrary to your opinion about the universal immunization medicine of love to the beautiful art ... " We will work on it : write articles and textbooks, lectures .." - is noble, worthy of a Christian , right and imperative , as penance , and thank you to the tremendous for it .. but a few .. at the present stage of development of society .
There is a coarse saying all is quiet until people fed or pissing ... we are full until only those who live in big cities , which are provided with food by 60 - 80 %over the hill ..
Society still have a long way to the Great October Revolution picturesque auction .

Seriy 02.09.2013 10:08

Artem, full of money . No people. Everything is real. The state is ready to set the allocations of funds , there are all sorts of programs . I say , as experienced through the Rossotrudnichestvo . It's not fast, but it is real .
So rather than storytellers , and lazy and couch potatoes .

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Guardian of dill, Russia in good physical condition. What-a dilapidated housing stock , in a time when Moscow Luzhkov rebuilt completely anew ? Who lives in a house built in 1950 ? Somewhere there is a dying city ? In the U.S. Deytroyt died .. and nothing. The time came , no one needs ? let them die .

Владимир Владимирович 02.09.2013 10:13

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For many years, the government supports the cinema

Do not support it . Divides the money among the eight companies. On the part of which is removed worthless , no unnecessary movie. I want to write a movie instead gavno.Proschu sorry for the French . Kleptomaniacs party , not the state . Yes I agree that the movies at least something is happening. But also , all very sad.

iosif 02.09.2013 10:39

Guardian of dill, thank you for your kind words , but I'm not an ascetic , and even patron . I pursue their business goals, although I'm a very small capitalist , but by definition, an avid <! - ~ 1 ~ -> .
I just believe that business is good and stable then , when he was good from (at least - not bad ) to others. So far - it turns out , though, and with a scratch <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
And the second . I have rose-colored glasses for forty years as no . But times are not chosen. And you should try to make yourself and others happy at all times . So far - it turns out ( albeit with difficulty) .
That's all the optimism . A bit forced , but what to do ? And when that life was easy ? My mother still remembers his childhood happiness when her in 1943 for her birthday present was given a piece of white bread.

Артём 02.09.2013 10:40

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full of money . No people .

That's what I know.
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and lazy couch potatoes

So they are our main fairy-tale characters . Lying on the stove - it's in our blood.
Seriy, I to you as an artist an artist , if you want to get something - his legs in hand, phone in the mouth , armpit pictures and forth. I do not know how anyone, but in my life HEX - plans , great art , searchlights .
That about what you write here is not necessary , and the artists themselves , or else you have embraced a thousand, even thousands of these lazy to register on the forum, there is only Seriy and Pavel.


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