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Хранитель укропа 01.09.2013 15:59

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Сообщение от Vladimir Vladimirovich (Сообщение 2740211)
A room with a large fireplace. Castle rented ? <! - ~ 7 ~ -> Smeshno.Kak do you represent? Picasso throwing 5 or 6 pictures in the fireplace. Why repeat the nonsense ? Stretchers and frames well- lit , and as canvases and manuscripts ... more smoke than heat. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

You probably had a different life , where have you seen that the student was filming in Paris, a room with a large fireplace. Here and now , lousy room with no amenities and the attic - a very good option .
And second , you probably had never felt this cold ducking out of the bus to the subway , and the subway to the front door . When the bones are frozen .. and especially when a cold , and have nothing to eat .. diluted in light of the bank under the sprat hand warmers , seem to you the best that the Lord !

Pavel 01.09.2013 16:45

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Сообщение от Keeper dill 2740881
You probably had a different life , where have you seen that the student was filming in Paris, a room with a large fireplace. Here and now , lousy room with no amenities and the attic - a very good option .
And second , you probably had never felt this cold ducking out of the bus to the subway , and the subway to the front door when the bones are frozen .. and especially when a cold , and have nothing to eat .. diluted in light of the bank under the sprat seem to you the best that the Lord !

Picasso arrived in Paris the first time at the World's Fair , which was exhibited his painting , a picture of the youngest graduate of the academy. It was his diploma. He remained in Paris for the third visit , a workshop, a former piano factory in Montmartre . The house was called Pracheshnaya . He was not yet 20 years old . In general , you should be aware <! - ~ 3 ~ ->

Кирилл Сызранский 01.09.2013 17:03

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 2740941)
which was exhibited his painting, a picture of the youngest graduate of the Academy.

This painting "The Last Moments."
The picture itself does not exist, Picasso on it in 1903, painted a picture of "Life", which depicted the life of his pokonchevshego close friend Carlos Casagemas.

Pavel 01.09.2013 17:33

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky ; 2740981"
This painting "The Last Moments ." The picture itself does not exist , Picasso on it in 1903, painted a picture of "Life" , which depicted the life of his pokonchevshego close friend Carlos Casagemas .
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Nothing like that. Instantaneous picture of the last 14 years has been written huzhozhnikom the academy. I'm somewhere in there , but I have already shown in " Who's that? " And this picture is blue period Kasadzhemasa written in memory of his friend and one of the " Three revolver ." Then Picasso was influenced by El Greco.

Кирилл Сызранский 01.09.2013 17:50

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Сообщение от Pavel; 2741041 "
instantaneous picture of the last 14 years has been written huzhozhnikom the academy.

So what?

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Сообщение от Pavel; 2741041 "
And this picture is blue period is written into the memory Kasadzhemasa

 So I wrote it.
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Сообщение от Pavel; 2741041 "
I have somewhere in there , but I have already shown in " Who's that ?"

Well , look , show . <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
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painting " Last Moments " was among the works of other young Spanish artists who represented the country at the World Exhibition in Paris. Subsequently, it was long considered lost : in 1977 Pierre Dax wondered if she was not lost in the vaults of the provincial museums of France. Only in 1978 it was discovered that on top of this is written "Life", canvas , now located in a museum in Cleveland . This is sometimes missing picture even confused with " Science and Charity" , even though the Picasso Pierre Dax persistently repeated that " Last Moments " - the name of this work - he wrote , referring to submit it to the contest , which attached great importance. Picasso, without a doubt , I forgot , he later wrote this on top of his famous allegory of the "Life" , which was discovered in 1978 after the X-ray analysis of the fabric. In old age, the artist said Antonina Vallentin that have never given such a name "Life" - his work and that is absolutely not aspire to some kind of symbolism : "I only captured the images that were in front of me . Implication let them look at other . " But Picasso is not sincere , and the statement is - an empty phrase with which he tries - perhaps due to shyness - conceal their hidden thoughts of death .
June 4, 1903 in the newspaper " El liberal " was published a lengthy article about this picture of the artist, one of his best works blue period . In it, in particular, stated that "the Pablo Ruiz Picasso , enjoying such success in Paris, just sold for a very considerable sum to Mr. St- Jean Gaudin, one of his last works called " Life . "
Unnamed author added that "Life " - one of the few noteworthy papers published recently in Spain. In 1903 , when Saint -Gaudens bought the painting from Picasso to immediately resell Vollaru - and then it was a difficult path , having been alternately in the hands of many people and in many provincial museums, until finally he was in Cleveland , few but friends of the artist, saw the work , and of course, no one but he could not give her name . It is possible that Sabartes witnessed how Picasso painted "Life" on top of the other pictures, but, like the artist himself , forgot about it . Seems unlikely and version, if the picture is the result of improvisation , later assured artist Antonina Vallentin .


Buscador 01.09.2013 19:23

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 2741041)
tina Last INSTANT was written 14 years huzhozhnikom the academy.

As he entered the Academy in 1897, and, therefore, he was 16 ...

Pavel 01.09.2013 20:15

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Сообщение от iosif; 2740721 "
Before my students took the soap opera business in eight seasons long the way, they actively assisted in technical matters .

Dear Joseph! In my opinion your article is as I expected , it is not about that. For the development of our market should be able to sell work and bought everything. As aptly said Gelman secondary market needs , in short independent galleries auction. That's all. All other arguments to crawl the poor. Good times to wait for art not to wait. Do not have them. Possible and stable prices , they are always changing and will change. Those who are trying to raise prices only lose their money , but keep an eye on the price level can only be at the auction. That's all.

Seriy 01.09.2013 20:26

Guardian of dill, IMHO , the opinion of extreme poverty Picasso did not correspond to reality. Yes , he lived uneasy , like all students . His paintings did not burn and not give for a pittance , selling paintings, too, I would not say that for nothing . Some relatives gave him money , because he could not allow myself to go back and forth from Spain to Paris and other cities. This period of its limited resources quickly ended when Gertrude Stein became his advocate visiting Americans. Blue Period paintings were rolled together in a large roll and given to the deposit of a friend who forgot about them . They 've been looking for , but fortunately found . And could lose and then no blue period , there were no period was short-lived and paintings have been written a little bit.
The very picture of "Life" is a compilation of two motives that occupied Picasso's mother with a baby in her arms and standing lovers, locked in a hug. A mother and child is with him in different ways , lovers too, including pictures of different options. So that the picture can easily be improvised on these two topics blue period . The gesture of the hand men - this is Michelangelo .

Buscador 01.09.2013 20:44

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 2741171)
In my your article as I expected

Paul, we agreed that we do not discuss the article.
It will open a separate issue.
Hold on ...

Артём 01.09.2013 21:13

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 2741171)
need to be able to sell the purchased work and all.

That's all.

That's all.
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Кирилл Сызранский 01.09.2013 21:17

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Сообщение от Artem (Сообщение 2741221)
That's it.

Who it hurts, that's about that and said. (c) <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

What creativity, what kind of art?
The main thing - to sell, sell, sell, sell!

Артём 01.09.2013 21:27

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky ; 2741241 "
What creativity, what kind of art ?

So who ? Here in Ukraine people buying patterns can be counted on the fingers . Just do not need anyone . Happy with something or not satisfied hud.revolyutsiyu no one will come to these auctions .
Exactly Pavel, bullshit . You and I, yes we are with you .

Peter 01.09.2013 21:49

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 2741171)
For the development of our market should be able to sell work and bought everything.

There should be a system of buying patterns in the population (do not laugh ! ), Where the appraiser specialist recommends for a picture worth taking into account all obstoyatelstv.Dalee . Resale opportunity " to present the best " dealers who is the " best" or re-sell the next " top echelon " or sell at retail through untwisted publicized art spaces (possibly auction ), where the shaft must still rule ( the mass of the people will be involved and the profit will go to the most number of sales).
Single and expensive depart galereyam.Sovokupnost all elements of the system and form secondary rynok.Mozhno introduce a registration system , where each subsequent sale of the artist determines the price for rynke.Sistema should be simple, affordable , inexpensive, at the "entrance " , democratic , and hence the mass .

iosif 01.09.2013 22:02

Pavel, my dear Paul , I can not speak for everyone, rely only on personal experience. My personal experience is that you can significantly increase the cost and the amount of sales of any talented artist , with the understanding and use of marketing skills. That's all <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
In this case, I do not need any government support or special auctions . Only the artist's talent and marketing skills a sales promoter. However, there is still a 12 -promoted criteria , but it is the third topic of the article.

Хранитель укропа 01.09.2013 22:05

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 2741301)
should be a system of buying patterns in the population (do not laugh ! ), Where the appraiser specialist recommends for a picture worth taking into account all obstoyatelstv.Dalee . Possibility of resale " selected the best" dealers who is the " best" or resell the next " top echelon " or sell at retail through untwisted publicized art spaces (possibly auction ), where all the same VAL should rule ( the mass of the people will be involved and the profit will go to the most number of sales).
Single and expensive depart galereyam.Sovokupnost all elements of the system and form secondary rynok.Mozhno introduce a registration system , where each subsequent sale of the artist determines the price for rynke.Sistema should be simple, affordable , inexpensive, at the "entrance " , democratic , and hence the mass .

This tells you the state scale of the individual <! - ~ 1 ~ -> . All right, but where to find a good Samaritan who to invest is not a child in the creation of infrastructure for one fifth of the world - our Motherland !
The State is not necessary, and so it is bursting belly , and not only on the election of failed promises and feeding depressed regions, and from a mere lack of money ..
Rather, over time, will be organized and to crystallize the structure , beginning as usual with megacities , which is exactly what happens at our famous traditions ..

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 2741311)
.. I can not speak for everyone, rely only on personal experience. My personal experience is that you can significantly increase the cost and the amount of sales of any talented artist ... That's all <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

In the words of a classic: " Who are the judges ? " . For you and Mr. Canareykina it talent, but for Mr and Mr Suhodrischeva Chemodanova - " talentless muff " .. and what to do?


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