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Кирилл Сызранский 27-08-2013 20:37

Question:

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 2732311)
And if you see a difference between the concept of "learning" and "gain experience"?

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky (Post 2732331)
Of course, "gain experience" can already be relying on any resulting knowledge base, that is, you first need to "learn".


Pablo 27-08-2013 20:40

Cyril Syzransky, r_a_z_n_i_ts_a there?
The difference?
And if so, then what?

Кирилл Сызранский 27-08-2013 20:54

- Why, let? ..
He served in the
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(c) <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Pablo 27-08-2013 20:57

Cyril Syzransky, on the other you can not expect, then I'm not surprised.
I stop the discussion with you in this thread.

Peter 27-08-2013 20:57

Passing School artist understands what and how (sometimes) done before him, thus giving direction to their own choice.
Art (talking about this) does not fall from potolka.Vsegda is a new (and logical) step, albeit a new and unexplored.
Museum is also School.

Pablo 27-08-2013 21:19

Peter, I do not argue with that statement at all. Only if you do not mind , I might add -
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Originally Posted by Peter; 2732481 "
understands what and how (sometimes) done before him, thus giving direction

made to him by someone and given a choice of finished directions !

I do not mind learning to who needs it ! I'm for self-education ! Self gives independence from accepted norms and dogmas ! It gives you the freedom to write what you want and how you want! If it is possible I will go to study, but I will not look for this feature specifically .

Buscador 27-08-2013 21:25

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 2732281)
here explain to me why you think that you are right?

I expressed my point of view.
And as I am right or not is not for me to decide, and artists ... (in these matters).

Seriy 27-08-2013 21:29

Pablo, what to learn? yes to everything, starting with the history of painting, what every artist is interesting that he has brought new? If you think that it is somewhere written in the books, you're wrong, then that is written for everyone - practical training value of the artist does not have.
The composition is a very complicated issue. Yes, Kandinsky, the genius of composition, wrote a book. I have read. Do you think it helped me to create powerful sounding songs out of nothing, as Kandinsky knew how?
Color pictures of the construction is a very complex issue. Starting with the fact that the paint is a convention, if you attach the brightest pink dye to the flower petunia, you will see that, compared with the nature, the paint is not pink, and almost gray. The palette of the artist and opportunities to work with the color very conditional. Simply put, you can not copy nature, no tools. It should be again, having what is on the palette, create wealth color, sound, that turned rosy pink. It takes so much time and effort that all the painters come to a rather limited palette, the one that they have successfully mastered, and do not change it to the end of life. A mixings? that, from a tube to write? but, again, you can not mix everything will be dirt, there is a stable set of mixtures of colors that work ... and so on and so forth. To study and learn.

 And, the first call at the last one - you're talking about a romantic profession of the artist, but probably most of the artists in their work are not engaged in self-expression, and work in the specialty-painted church, restored, working on the interiors, teach, work for artists porcelain factories-many application fields where the need proven skills and techniques and do not need any self-expression and individuality.

Кирилл Сызранский 27-08-2013 21:32

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Originally Posted by Pablo; 2732541"
Self gives independence from accepted norms and dogmas !

One amateur artist " educate themselves " and two years could not understand what oil paint should be thinned with diluent , well into his art store prompted . <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
A year later, someone told him about the "tee", about underpainting, glazes ... <! - ~ 9 ~ ->

Pablo 27-08-2013 21:40

<! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Well, it's a .... shall I
 

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky (Post 2732591)
"tee"

Thank you!
Only the "Solvent"
<! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Кирилл Сызранский 27-08-2013 22:10

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Originally Posted by Pablo; 2732601 "
Well, it's a shall I ....

It's practically your portrait - You're just an amateur, but with the Internet and pride in his ignorance , but then there was no internet , and go to the library one shy lover and his shyness explained unnecessary for reading books, the desire to " independence from the accepted norms and dogma ".

Pablo 27-08-2013 22:15

Cyril Syzransky, a lover of course, I'll never studied <! - ~ 1 ~ -> And freedom - the main thing in painting.
I think you have already guessed <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

And about the "shall I" - I was referring to something else, but oh well.
But what's the shy - I do not understand, really.
You talking about?

Кирилл Сызранский 27-08-2013 22:17

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 2732701)
But what's the shy - I do not understand, really.
You talking about?

About lover of my message.
He hesitated once again to ask - afraid of ridicule may seem ignorant fear.

Pablo 27-08-2013 22:40

Cyril Syzransky, these fans was always full . And happened, they became masters. As for me - you will not believe, but I never hesitate to clarify the point. Therefore, if there are issues with me personally , or with my self-expression - it is easier to write in drugs, because here I was forced to answer . We have so accepted in Mariupol <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Pavel 28-08-2013 08:32

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky (Post 2732721)
About the lover of my message.
He hesitated once again to ask - afraid of ridicule may seem ignorant fear.

Very poorly thought out COP Any beginner could take a book for budding artists or ask someone or go to the studio.

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky (Post 2729301)
These are the top 20 works of Russian artists living to Russian auctions.
There is another top living there Kabakov, Bulatov, Tselkov , Fajbisovich , Yankilevsky , Nemuhin , Rabin , Bruskin , Komar /Melamid and the prices are much higher. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

This is not another top and not at the top . This is the price at the moment, as well as the living. It is necessary to understand in each case. Who sold , who bought it, which sold the one who bought and for how much. Tops is the result of long-term observation , not by higher prices at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky ; 2729691 "
Why is the Tretyakov Gallery in 2008 made ​​a huge exhibition " Oscar Rabin . THREE LIVES . Retrospective "?
Why Tretyakov said his "outstanding individual craftsman with a deep sense of the world "?
Why French President Francois Mitterrand , seeing the work of Rabin , dropped a phrase that immediately bypassed all the newspapers : " This picture , I 'd love to hang at home! " ?
__________________

 Still curious to know why the last.

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky (Post 2729781)
a retrospective mentioned in the Tretyakov Gallery, of course, even more pushed further rise in prices.

This is a question about promotion.
That's what forces are involved and what kind of money that must be vohvraschat


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