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Барвиха 20.12.2014 19:17

Left-right
 
The concept of "left" and "right" was given for the first time the artist K. MALEVICH,in his famous treatise the Left-proletarian art,where he is to the "right" took Benoit and company,who began to raise his feeble finely bourgeois haryu and to plot against K. Malevich and all other followers of the all new,revolutionary,innovative and fantastically rebellious that was in the young Soviet Republic,the court entered all the avant-garde ,OST,lion,Knife, etc, associations, labeling them in treacherous erosion ideas New-Revolutionary-Left art. I certainly don't consider purely the " left " art works by Soviet artists after wartime,but all that was done skillfully-progressive and innovative - brilliantly,of course in my understanding,I call left art. This Osowski,Andronov,Popkov,Yakobchuk,Zharinova,Nikono v,Shebeko, etc. Why?? Yes,because they considered themselves followers and there were many disciples of the GREAT LEFT-wing SOVIET painters,by the way right to choose for themselves teachers in VKhUTEMAS,and then in the Academies, many also says!!!!this is the answer to all Benoit-Gerasimov and com.and today's intellectuals - picture , A. A. Deineka " LEFT MARCH"!!! And Benoit unlike K. Malevich rested and then in Italy!But this is purely my opinion and nothing more.Speaking more broadly,of course LEFT and right it mirovozzrenie-philosophical-politicheskie Association ,which includes all svjazanno with world history last Le . Leaders and founding fathers of all known LEFT and right too all izveni,art especially in the early 20th century that keenly felt myself,the mere accusation of right-wing leaders in the " degenerate art" of left-wing artists and sculptors ,are worth the money!! By the way ,baiting A. Deineka was organized, posledovatelei Benoit,Gerasimov,Kukryniksy, etc., although they considered themselves to Soviet artists!! And actually even then they headed creeping coup in Soviet culture,which ended tragically for many in 1991.

ANATOLY 20.12.2014 19:31

[QUOTE="Барвиха;3314471"]I call left iskusstva@
And who besides you artists divides into levib right and Central?

artcol 20.12.2014 20:32

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Сообщение от Барвиха (Сообщение 3314471)
Kukryniksy

Kukryniksy in this regard, is very ambivalent.

Барвиха 20.12.2014 20:56

I only stated that given the definition of the artists themselves about their vision of life,their attitude to art and life,to whom they themselves took and how they themselves and their creativity was defined!!!!! There was a lot of historical autobiographies and studies by critics all over the world on this issue!! Nothing personal. But many modern right-wing figures of the last 40 years unsuccessfully trying to remake all the historical facts of life,but I think the Story and Time will put everything in its place!! Here is the opinion of Amateurs,I am personally not too interested in!!From some " intellectuals" from the art many times heard the definition of " Left"art"is something Kriven'ko ,formalistically and all!!!Sorry ,but this IDIOCY!!!

Кирилл Сызранский 20.12.2014 20:56

[QUOTE=artcol;3314781]Syzran, you know what's Your problem? You feel his limited, and instead something to do with it, try to convince themselves and others that this is the real top of the spirit, wisdom and intelligence, laboriously wrought-gained.

That's why I stopped talking to You. Mold in the cheese without cheese just plesent@

Yes she is, let it weighs here always!

artcol 20.12.2014 21:16

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Сообщение от Кирилл Сызранский (Сообщение 3314811)
Yes, let it weighs here always!

Yes, let :D

Барвиха 21.12.2014 00:16

left-right
 
I would like to try to formulate a response. Artists :Moiseenko, Andronov,Osowski,Vasnetsov,Popkov,Shebeko, Zharinova,Nikonov,overgrown,Yakobchuk,žilina ,Panteleev,Mylnikov and even how to describe their work,apart from the notion of " Severe Style"?? These artists lived, studied , worked in the USSR,right??Socio-political way of life at all was a socialist!But the form of expression in their work they found each soepomo,personally,I think that it was not the realism and the more academic,therefore ,conditionally, and not try their otnei to the broader concept than the Severe style,namely left-wing supporters in the painting,though ,as I said,many of them not only studied with Geniuses " Left" Guard,but considered themselves followers of this tradition,shared with them the tasks ,which put the country before these artists,so creative-virtuoso-progressive tried to solve these problems,were at the forefront and borrowed many techniques from their teachers!!! Don't see any contradictions in it!! Of course, the left socialist realism is not perfect,but everything else on my works!Left art : ALIVE all the arts!,in her life and progress,the beauty and greatness!! Like that!!! And Benoit,A. Gerasimov,Stozharov,Sidorov,Kugach,Tkacheva etc. cemetery!!!

Кирилл Сызранский 21.12.2014 00:29

[QUOTE="Барвиха;3315571"]I ,if you will allow me,I will try to formulate otvet@
You have formulated, but does not answer my question
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Сообщение от Кирилл Сызранский (Сообщение 3313041)
What is this "left" socialist realism?

And he asked was, I remember, after this phrase:
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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 3313001)
Barvikha talked a lot about the "left" socialist realism

Of course, I realized that You were talking about the "left-right" art, what are the conversations in the workshops of the artists of the older generation for decades. I myself have these conversations in my time I've heard before hiccups - I grew up in an artistic environment.

Барвиха 21.12.2014 00:33

left-right
 
Well ,if we cling to the word,then of course left socialis cannot exist ,because it left and realistic: the antagonists,but I don't cling to specific words and try to explain the essence of the more widely! And what for example Glazunov Soviet artist??!! Clean water is finely-bourgeois-Popov podlewski! I nonconformists were,in my understanding,honest and interesting! They had their own position and its own form of expression,although without stealing those techniques the artists Left guard,especially the " OST" was not! The scale of the creative talent that is clearly not the same!!

Кирилл Сызранский 21.12.2014 00:43

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Сообщение от Барвиха (Сообщение 3315601)
Well ,if we cling to the words of

I don't "clung", and just asked a simple question that got this detailed detailed answer. :D

artcol 21.12.2014 01:29

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Сообщение от Барвиха (Сообщение 3315701)
Left Sotsialisticheskogo Art!

Officially in the USSR had no art except as socialist realism.

Барвиха 21.12.2014 01:31

left-right
 
Here was an artist, not without talent,as P. Konchalovsky. Many dealers and investors from art consider his early work the " left" direction in painting,but nekotorye trenchant " Russian cubofuturist" Well what " Levot"or Futuristichnost in his creative activity?? I'm sure this period( Jack of diamonds)this is a classic podrazhenie P. the Sežana,then,Picasso,then there are other times and he is already working in the manner of " OST,but not for long,then there are other times and it is already a classic realist with a touch of postimpressionism,nothing!!Where to define this artist,he always kept his nose to the wind,that in life ,which is in the works. And his paintings are still not long ago was sold for millions and many boasted these works!! The horror!!!

artcol 21.12.2014 01:35

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Сообщение от Барвиха (Сообщение 3315741)
And his paintings are still not long ago was sold for millions and many boasted these works!! The horror!!!

He now demanded.

Барвиха 21.12.2014 01:39

left-right
 
It is a matter of personal choice! And here was a Great Sarian.Remained until the end of the creative days recognizable, a brilliant master. Of course with age and time, not as "sharp" and " sassy" little restratify and extinct in the works ,but not like no one!!One of the Leaders of the Left Socialist art!!! Definition definition of all post Soviet avant-garde art,as " socialist realism" I think it is not right and wrong!!! I personally share of Soviet artists on the " left" , classical realists ," right" ,there is still a great location academia ,but these I totally incomprehensible! Although there is in my classification and problems!? Where for example to determine the Century Yakovlev?? It seems to be a classical realist,but his sarcasm , "audacity" and " sharpness"are not allowed to take him to this community!?Still probably not typical,but left the artist!?

ANATOLY 21.12.2014 09:52

Barvikha, I think that some of the local lecturers did not read "Woe from wit". There is a more precise definition of such conclusions is a fallacy.


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