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Кирилл Сызранский 14.02.2013 14:30

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 2464421)
but neutral stories had quite marketability.

Here it can and " neutral story " at first glance, but the picture is called "Transferring urns with ashes" and nothing at Sotheby's sold for 172,750 USD.

Kaffsky 14.02.2013 15:01

With this judgment agree with Cyril Syzran:
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2464451)
symbolism , I would say , in the "modern" style .

I ask to clarify your message:
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2464511)
If we talk about this watercolor , it was exhibited at the Four Corners with the estimate of 15 000-20 000 USD,
 that the crisis of 2009 was, in my view, a little expensive.
I am sure , be at this thing expert opinion, at 12,000 it would have already found its new owner .

Cyril Syzran, did you have any doubts
 about the authenticity of the watercolor?
My opinion -perfect work V.Kotarbinskogo .
And the initials of the E.A.P. ( Elena Adrianovny Prakhova ) in the authentication ... :)>

Кирилл Сызранский 14.02.2013 15:09

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Сообщение от Kaffsky (Сообщение 2464661)
Cyril Syzran, did you have any doubts

about the authenticity of the watercolor?

I do not, actually, but the graphics, experience suggests that the potential purchasers want the paper.

Kaffsky 14.02.2013 15:14

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Сообщение от John Preston (Сообщение 2464161)
Kotarbinsky personally I nravitstso, but that I would have hung myself really!
;)>

   
:D>

John Preston, but such an effort would decorate

your interior?
:

Кирилл Сызранский 14.02.2013 15:40

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Сообщение от Kaffsky (Сообщение 2464661)

And the initials E.A.P. (Elena Adrianovny Prakhova) in authentication ...

You think this is a gift daughter Emilie Lvovna?

Perhaps TB, after the revolution, she took care of an elderly artist in his home, where he, by the way, and he died.

Homoludens 14.02.2013 15:59

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2464581)
That it can and " neutral story " at first glance , but the picture is called " Transferring urns with ashes " and nothing at Sotheby's sold for 172,750 USD.

We can not ignore , however , is the fact that the logic of Western and post-Soviet market is different. What is sold for 172,750 USD there , there can be neprodvaemo and a tenth of that amount - and vice versa. So Konstantin and John Preston, in my view , correct. Write Kotarbinsky unpretentious flowers so the edge - he would go to the local auctions for "cheers".

John Preston 14.02.2013 16:07

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Сообщение от Kaffsky (Сообщение 2464681)
John Preston, but such an effort would decorate

your interior?
:


Did so.
:o> But only as an exception, as I'm going to Western Europe.

Kaffsky 14.02.2013 16:16

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2464711)
I think it is a gift daughter Emilie Lvovna ?
Perhaps TB, after the revolution she took care an elderly artist in his home, where he, by the way, and he died .

Cyril Syzran, it is either a gift most Emilia Lvovna or Elena. :)>
In gratitude, the family Prakhov ... :)>

Homoludens 14.02.2013 16:19

And the name of the author know?

Кирилл Сызранский 14.02.2013 16:28

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Сообщение от Homoludens (Сообщение 2464761)
And the name of the author of the well known?

The topic was already gave the answer to this question:
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Сообщение от Vladimir Ed (Сообщение 2200841)
The author's name, "The daughter of Cairo", the inscription in pencil on the back side.


Homoludens 14.02.2013 16:33

Cyril, it was discussed on a date by which photos shared Kaffsky.
He, in fact, a question and addressed.

Кирилл Сызранский 14.02.2013 16:40

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Сообщение от Homoludens (Сообщение 2464791)
Cyril, it was discussed on a date by which photos shared Kaffsky.
He, in fact, the issue and addressed.


Sorry, but the photograph of the picture, which was sold at Sotheby's for 172,750 USD gave me.
:D>

Homoludens 14.02.2013 16:45

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2464781)
And you believe that Kotarbinski at Western auctions buying a Western collectors ? :)>

Here you are also buying Ukrainian knzhki at American auctions and , I think, for them there bursts of American buyers do not. :rolleyes:>

Cyril, first of all, I do not buy Ukrainian books on American auctions. In the few cases where I happened to compete there for old and rare Ukrainian publications , all was still , and I, alas , turned out in its tail. Secondly, we are not saying who ever buys Kotarbinski at Western auctions , because it was not sold in quantities sufficient to make generalizations. For costly work for which you have paid attention , I would be surprised to learn that it was acquired by Russian buyers - that is my subjective impression.

Added after 5 minutes
Clarify once again that the interest of the author's name , which told a colleague Kaffsky. Question is removed , since the name of the picture , it appears, is in the file name : " the fire ."

Кирилл Сызранский 14.02.2013 17:29

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Сообщение от Homoludens; 2464841"
Second, we're not saying who ever buys Kotarbinski at Western auctions, because it was not sold in quantities sufficient to make generalizations. For costly work for which you have paid attention, I would be surprised to learn that it was acquired by Russian buyers - this is my subjective feeling.

Of course, " subjective feelings " important thing, but "compilation" can do, with sales statistics Kotarbinski work.
Next:
1. of 59 works Kotarbinski (45 lots of paintings and 14 - graphics) only 10 works were exhibited at the Ukrainian and Russian auctions, of which only three of the paintings (two on one and one on Sovkome Corners), the remaining seven - graphics.
2. Kotarbinski, for example, in the 90's has not sold, and began selling it in the 2000s, when the Western auctions generally started selling Russian art - namely, in 2003, Sotheby's sold the first thing Kotarbinski based on AI.
3. about " extensive work ". Most the expensive and I did not show, and it's:
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Roman beauty with doves
Canvas, oil
 69x138
Sotheby's, London
 01/12/2005
Lot 29
Estimate: 90 000 - 120 000 GBP(155,727 - 207,636 USD, 132 726 - 176 968 EUR)
Result: 299,200 GBP(517 706 USD, 441 239 EUR)


Homoludens 15.01.2015 01:51

Will be redundant in this thread:

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Сообщение от Homoludens (Сообщение 3344001)
Allow yourself to pay attention to the forum members that the album art heritage Wilhelm Kotarbinsky volume of over 600 pages, about which I wrote here almost two years ago, finally saw the light. Want to buy can contact me. The cost with regard to packing and shipment to any country in Europe (including Russia) valuable parcel - $ 135.



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