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Pecheneg 10.05.2010 02:49

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Сообщение от NEO (Сообщение 1086952)
before you write (or have the intention only) icon, many trails were, from the blessing that many days of fasting. For inspiration, the last written exclusively for religious meaning of the icon. According to another and can not acquire.

 Countless ofen went to the villages and distribute countless icons, which in terms of high art should be attributed to the artisan crafts and svoeobraznomu mass consumption ..
V. Soloukhin.

Ofen then did not write it with religious motives, but for a bowl of soup and a piece of bread ...

Любознательный 10.05.2010 03:41

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1086692)
curious, there is a carved icons and mosaics, paintings (pictures, with a narrow-minded point of view) and sculpture.
A famous Kholmogors'ka thread? They cut all the icons from the bones of marine animals. There is even a term- Northern bone carvings .
A Perm wooden sculpture?

Thanks for the info, but I know it about 40 years.
Unfortunately, not all and not always possible to keep their hands, so that now lay on the site.
Only in this sub-forum, as I understand, discuss and evaluate the artistic value, but not the tabs of the magazine Ogonyok.
Yes, people are praying and bills. However, we - not in the church and not for we are here.
Or am I mistaken?

On the topic.
Someone decided to make a little money on the outcome of the labor of others.
No problem. But it takes at least a little bit to sort out what bargain.
I understand the heirs who do not understand what they own.
But here is completely different.
So I think your cue from my address unjustified.

Кирилл Сызранский 10.05.2010 03:45

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Сообщение от inquisitive (Сообщение 1087172)
So I think your cue from my address unjustified.

What it is "unreasonable"?
You wrote:
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Сообщение от inquisitive (Сообщение 1086432)
Not ICON you do not ICON.

I wrote:

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1086692)
In the church to illuminate and image the essence of prayer is an icon, not worse than printing, in my opinion.

Everything is normal, I think.

Любознательный 10.05.2010 03:56

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1086842)
Well, yes: board of canvas, gesso, tempera, linseed oil ... Letter in the Eastern Christian tradition ... This is a "special status", so to speak?

I would also add enamel and frescoes, as you somehow did not mention.
To me, this is what is of Russian icon painting.
On the styles do not argue, but let me remind the split.
Time passed, and fryaz not rooted in Russian iconography.
It just smoothly moved onto the canvas in the form of religious art.
Do you think "The Appearance of Christ to the people" icon?
Personally, I hold back opinions.

Игорь Гурьев 10.05.2010 04:05

OK.

Explain.

There is an icon. Byzantine, Russian, Cypriot, etc.

And there are images of the icon: bas-relief, enamel, cloisonne-emalnye, photographic. Even the academic painting was trying to mow under the icon (in places).

The icon is a prayer in paint ().

Любознательный 10.05.2010 04:16

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1087182)
What is it "unreasonable"?


Everything is normal, I think.
Anyway, as you please ...

I have not given you reason to doubt my lack of knowledge in the understanding of the term "icon", but really, the more so in the understanding of Russian icon painting. Under such circumstances, I believe Your post is not ethical.
With all due respect to your opinion, I would not let anybody and will not allow you to treat with him.
I do not want.

Кирилл Сызранский 10.05.2010 04:22

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Сообщение от inquisitive (Сообщение 1087252)
I have not given you reason to doubt my lack of knowledge in the understanding of the term" Icon "

But I do not doubt the Lord is with you ...
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Сообщение от inquisitive (Сообщение 1087252)
With all due respect to your opinion, I would not let anybody and will not let you so.
I do not want.

Do not allow to continue, as you wish ...
I have something before that?
"Treat a "... :D
Yes, I did not appeal to you, go to bed, once drank Liska.

reriks 10.05.2010 12:07

initially I did not ask the icon or not a requested evaluation! And the icon or not there may be a long debate but wilt come to a consensus. But on the 2-3tysyach-let the painting such as Picasso, too, not because ICON shtosh it now price 2 3tysyachi ......?

Евгений 10.05.2010 12:44

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Сообщение от reriks (Сообщение 1087492)
and asked for evaluation

Dear here is the site of wood carvings http://www.derevo-art.ru/work.php?fo..._home=&for_man = & for_event = & price1 = & price2 = & keyword = & f_interier = & work_type = 0 & lines = & work_material = & current_page =#start0
More than 230 artists and hundreds of different gadgets (including carved icons), prices, dimensions, interesting articles, etc.
Read it, you will understand ..

Любознательный 10.05.2010 20:46

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Сообщение от reriks (Сообщение 1087492)
paintings such as Picasso, too, not so ICONS shtosh it now price of 2-3tysyachi ......?

Here in this forum is the result of a man can already tell Picasso from the icon.
 Rerikis, if would you propose to evaluate the cypress carved hinged (15 valves), and even age 16, the price would not be in the thousands and not in rubles.
Look, yes obryaschite!

Мимопроходил 10.05.2010 21:15

"In the art scholarship icons commonly referred to as images in the framework of Eastern Christian tradition on a solid surface (mainly at limes board covered with gesso, then there is alabaster, diluted with liquid glue) and equipped with special inscriptions and signs.
From the theological and religious studies in terms of icons are also mosaic, paintings and sculptures in any artistic way, if they eat the fruit set by the Seventh Ecumenical Council reverence. "

Gentlemen, you are just in different positions in the perception of the term icon, do not break the copies.

Любознательный 10.05.2010 21:17

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[QUOTE=Cyril Syzranskiy;1086692] In light of the church and the prayer will be the image of the essence of the icon, not worse than printing, in my opinion. If the icon is a religious position, not with art criticism, for example.

For the consecration of the image in the Orthodox Church must respect the canons for writing ICONS.
 I have a book (title torn) edition of 1848, of which cite the preface.
Judging by the content, it is - a tutorial on writing icons.

SAH 10.05.2010 21:39

curious, could you put a normal scan of the book, upside agree not convenient to read.

Любознательный 10.05.2010 23:00

SAH,
Thank you for a fair comment - unable to see not noticed.

Pecheneg 11.05.2010 15:02

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1086872)
Message from Cyril Syzran



Igor Guriev, but in Russia Madonna and Child with the icon can be?

Ukraine, the middle 19 th century. board, tempera.


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