What do you think can be reconciled love for art and love of money (in the modern world)? There is no contradiction?


 I think the main problem of art - the lack of demand. Artists have so far, thank God. Galleries have opened. What is interesting, and love for art people like, there is: in Minsk was an exhibition (finally!) "Painting in Normandy" - the people were full and on weekends and weekdays. But to buy ... then there is no desire, or opportunity. But with this tight.

The love of money is usually is a desire to be secured and not be afraid of hunger, poverty, a "black day" and not a secret admiration of bills at night. Yes? :D
Where is the contradiction? Many collectors, rich people, patrons, benefactors. It is combined the same. Museums then opened his own name in the history of art include this.

It does not happen? Generations worked in factories, built over the years, many people have died, you know how it was built. And at the time of privatization, who was then director, who baby Mira, who is the factory, and for free is privatized, became King of course is temporary, it is very many are dead and have their near and relatives, and also random people. After all, to be successful today, no sense not to be, just look around.
The collapse of the Soviet Union, is a real revolution, and no matter what the intentions were with the man who makes the revolution they can be good. I mean this periud. Or in the words of another great Chinese, what would you do not live in a time of change.

What I had in mind the artists. Can be combined (only in our time), these qualities so that the art was not damaged. So I do not know, but I would like to understand.

 The Soviet Union ceased to exist in 91-th year, at the end of the year.
Tom who was born after this event under 20 years.
All these events will live? And how long now? It may be forward looking and not looking back at the 91st year? A?

I am one of those who did not believe that an artist must create hungry. But I think art does not principally, for example, the choice: well-fed and healthy children or art. For me the choice is straightforward.

1991 is the beginning of collapse, this generation is that 20 years have grown in a depressed society, where they lived among people who saw famine, war and terrible crimes, whether citizen or soldier, ny stuffed criminals and crooks all suits, and has no effect no codes of honor, how many people robbed the state itself, whether the MMM, or Hopper Invest, a generation grew up in a depressing situation, with whom you advise me to go vpered.Esli and go forward, then looking back.

Soldering children? In the camp or what? Or ration, as at the front?
And if they do not understand what is art?
Even after such a choice- Papa, go Draw, we starve here quietly- bush in the hands of uderzhutsya it?

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Fear is what telling ... :eek:
How are you still alive somewhere in Moscow this? :D

Who survived in the dashing 90-e, and not involved, it's just chudo.Otsyuda and there is faith.

Samvel, do not repeat for a TV made up this current authorities for "People" aphorism - "dashing 90-s. That's not true. No they do not "daring" were, and wonderful.
Funny, yes, crazy in a good, true, agree ... :)

Yes you are right, I repeated, I just liked this expression. Personally for me it was terrible years, Moscow ruled by bandits, and was not political leadership, but just gang, national, and internatsionalnye.Mnogie residents might not notice this, because living at home in the yard, by inertia.

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And not remember, because navaernoe lived at home. And reminiscent of those who for various reasons, soldiers, turmoil, and a large flow from different parts of the Soviet Union, arrived in Moscow, without shelter, without money, without any rights, those who slept at railway stations, in bytovkah.i thought how to live in the winter . You say that now the same is observed in Moskvae the example of immigrants from Central Asia, but then was a real fear today will not give maximum zarplptu.

Apologies.
 

Returning after a short absence, first of all I want to apologize to those participants in the forum, which I could not help offending the topic. More precisely, its name. So already we find that for me the most important skill is the Russian (even Russian) art. What happened automatically and in the name of the topic.
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But this forum is very active Ukrainians. And as if I was not proud of some of their country, but have to admit that the quality of Ukrainian painters is not inferior to Russian. And if you look at Western auctions, then we have to admit sometimes the priority for modern Ukrainian art.

If I say that among all members of the Russian Union of artists have real talent of 5-10%, then looking at the Armenian painters, I have to drastically increase this figure. They were perfectly capable of doing expressionist things bright and light, good and sunny. It is these, which, we severely lacking in Russia.

In Belarus, a very strong school, a very deserving artists. I visited not one joint exhibition of Smolensk and Vitebsk artists. And the desire to buy a painting I have encountered mostly before the works countrymen Chagall.

I spoke only from my own experience, so please do not be offended citizens of those countries, whom I missed.

I ask the Administrator to change the name of the theme. can do, say, something like this:

Problems and Myths of Modern Art of the former USSR.

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Funny, yes. Sawed - fun, calculated - tears.
Kirill, you know how many of my peers in the cemeteries lie? My friends, buddies, classmates? Samvel rights, not in vain that "elite" this time called dermokraty and prihvatizatory :D

Cyril Syzranskiy cool :D, I understand that "they wanted to get rich" only Abramovich, Deripaska, Prokhorov, Akhmetov (Ukraine), etc., and others simply did not want !:D
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I do not think that even the income from cooperatives and other small businesses have enough time on the purchase of factories, houses, ships'

Cyril Syzranskiy amused :)

My lot Pobol ...
I drink a cast that so far this series does not stand up.
And who is to drink something made so something to the grave? Dermokraty and prihvatizatory ?
Yes, and strangely developed from a young man to hear such things ...
You did not hurt at all and all for his life worthless uncle of 50, I, for example. :D