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It's very nice, almost all were sentenced to Sarnitsa screen painting. Even without looking at the attached photos.
In the picture message 1 in the middle (three quarters) have same pictures on the front and the side wall Sarnitsa. They have no relation to the pattern. Tray native - not zastarenny artificially. He just did not specially washed free - to confirm the time by the nature of hand lapping the sole product (see the risks to the scanned soles). Of particular note is that the stamp was subjected to grinding of (see the first of the now attached photo). This thing is a kind of dissonance. Perhaps because of the traditional technologies lag from conception of the artist. This is what attracted the early European porcelain. His mistakes, which are now no longer even repeats craftsman. Having learned from the experience of their predecessors. It is difficult to agree with the view inexpressiveness (formlessness) products. No accounting for tastes - attached Maker Malevich (middle photo), it really looks different. But the textured surface (not linked to the painting) table of products characterized as products under the early and mid 18 th century. Return to the textured surface of table items in the first third of the 20 th century occurred on a different circuit technology development Porcelain affairs and other tastes of the public (artists). And the last comment. Flow-line production really allows you to achieve mass production. The price of technology changes with the simultaneous loss of quality. Hand-painting begin to be only unique things. There was a decal. And in this case, we have no means a unique little thing, with over-and underglaze painting. Must submit themselves how she was fired. As a result, one of them fired at Sarnitsa flowed one of the walls - but the product is not a thing of the marriage (see the last of the attached photo). And it says it a lot. First of all, on the creation of work - no later than 18 centuries. I think so. Dissuade me could not. Thanks to everyone who took part in the discussion. |
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If the case had nothing to say, then, excuse me, what sets?
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In general, so.
Today I met with a specialist in porcelain and showed him the photo. He said that this is the end of 1919 - early 20 th century, probably Sweden. What is exactly not 18 century. Cost can be as much greater than 2 thousand ve. |
Igor Guriev, Gustavsberg?
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Man had already left. In addition, he said that glaze painting is not there, and it is probably not a stencil. |
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The owner of this sweet Sarnitsa already time to start betting!
And I would put it on the fact that this English vintage, 50's and closer to us. If you do not take into account the analysis of brands and drip glaze. First, these roses. Only fanatics, gardeners British portrayed their chinese roses at all what one can! Starting from the pictures, wallpaper, and ending with chamber pots. Here I have a tub with a similar decor from Spode. Secondly, the form Sarnitsa seems typical of England. Here at rubylane there is even a Victorian doll posudka, by the way, too, with roses (photo at right). Look, there are similar models, of different periods. In the search bar type any words: cheese tray /cover /box /dish. And thirdly, the antiquity of it on me, too, not a breath. At other times, decor would have been quite different. But in general she is very cute! Be sure to tell us what it will eventually. |
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It said one expert on porcelain. And for me - so your price is even too big. |
Agatha Gregson,
Do not tell my the address where you found the right image? Advance grateful. Added after 52 minutes U Z Guriev and Igor. Guys, I like your approach, and even more - the formation of prices. I propose to make money. Since you are in china not Copenhagen, then explain the problem. Find the complete product with 100%safety and with such technological complexity. Crock - a cross between opaque glass and porcelain, but the color of warm milk. The presence (absence) of the painting does not matter. Required hallmarks you know - hallmarks Chelsea (Chelsea) 1745-1748 years. Products with the stamp of the company toilets GUSTAVSBERG - not offer. For each such item I cry cache 300 bucks. When the party more than 5 - to pay for, your travel to Moscow in compartment carriage express train, more than 10 - pay the same return trip. Agree, to make money better than the flood on the forum. Decision - for each of you. |
Dear Curious,
Here is the link to it is: http://www.rubylane.com/shops/foxandhounds/item/ax20351 And by the way, I'm sorry, I only looked at what was written in the description of this doll things: it is made in Bohemia in 1904. Why the seller called it a Victorian? But I do not think that to your oiler that has a direct relationship. I brought her as an example to his conclusions because for dinnerware (in theory) should be used only very typical thing in life, it's psychology. Consequently, this form of everyday things, like you should be very familiar in his time. This is one of the pages from the general list greasers on sale: http://search.rubylane.com/search/, ...d%20cover.html I am the way, in his message, tried to send you to this source: www.rubylane.com. This is something like trading platforms for online antique dealers from all over the world. One source for finding analogues. I express my solidarity as a beginner - I too encountered the arrogance and dogmatism of experts on this forum. But every time - needed (to me) thread still was. Do not give up! .. While not themselves see. |
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These proposals address, please someone else, I do not have ;). Posted 12 minutes Цитата:
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I expressed my impressions, and then added them to the opinion of one expert on porcelain. But then again expressed his opinion. So what kind of stereoscopy of my messages may occur. |
curious, do not misunderstand, just wanted to understand. Ask a friend to see the conclusion - the beginning of the 20 th +-... years.
What came to mind, but can not this be two parts of different objects? Old tray, cover later. Please note, in my opinion, the lower figure, canvas cover does not fit in any way with the performance on a tray. Or am I wrong? In the present Agata things are harmonious, the eye does not hurt. |
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Since no objections were received intelligible (sound arguments) on the provided me Sarnitsa, the rationale for their position, I have to preface a brief overview of the problems of creating a European porcelain. This review in no way an attempt to presenting the history of porcelain, and represents only an engineering look at the resolution of technical and technological problems in creating porcelain. And, without the use of special technical terms and chemical formulas, which, in my opinion, this should increase the accessibility of understanding of the problems existing prior to and during the creation of European porcelain.
It is well known that porcelain was first produced in Europe from China, Vasco da Gamma, this event drew down all European markets tableware (china, tin, silver and gold), and also led to a real revolution in the development of European industry. Technical and technological backwardness of European industry is not allowed to organize their own porcelain production in the shortest possible time, which went on for a long time on two fronts - industrial espionage and involvement yesterday alchemists and specialists faience production. As a result of violation of secrecy of the confessional has been created so-called French polufarfor, as a result of the decoding technology and the composition of the mass (raw materials and additives) - Germany's and the rest.
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