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Сима 10.01.2010 17:32

Cyril Syzransky, the first part I have long understood. And for the realization of the second must change the conditions of the forum. I talk on facebook under the name. And let me tell you that here was a virtual life still draws and corrupts. And where you all know in person and in life - of course, is responsible for his words and think hundred times before you speak. Here is another - to speak about other people's wealth, for which nobody knows what and who stands. Too many unknowns. Ie values even in the presence of pictures and more or less coherent description is still anonymous. So in the discussion participants should be entitled to anonymity.

Pecheneg 10.01.2010 21:34

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AlexanderG offered his services to "decode" zakomuflirovannyh descriptions of lots in the auction catalogs.
Knowing this "language" on which auctions are forced to "speak" (and need to sell and can not get to court), it is possible for themselves at the stage descriptions
identify questionable items.

Alexander assumes the role of decoder? If I understand correctly ..
 but who can guarantee that not seeing things can go wrong ... From this no one is safe ... Example .. Take almost any job on "Gelos" ... In the catalog description is a string "Artist (*.*.******.) on podpisi.Kto I can guarantee that this work is that hudozhnika.Komu believe ... self-titled expert experts "Gelos" or rely on their knowledge and intuition ...

uriart 10.01.2010 21:44

Pecheneg; or rely on their knowledge and intuition ..

That's almost exactly the same and should hope for in the first and second and in any place!

Кирилл Сызранский 10.01.2010 22:02

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Сообщение от Pecheneg (Сообщение 844712)
but who can guarantee that not seeing things can not go wrong ...

What kind of message do you speak? This is not about "things", and its description in the auction catalog.

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Сообщение от Pecheneg (Сообщение 844712)
Who will give me a guarantee that this work is precisely this artist.

Not about what "guarantees" the speech was not. Offer assistance.

Pecheneg 10.01.2010 22:32

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Cyril Syzransky
Not about what "guarantees" the speech was not. Offered assistance

Thank you! Naturally ..

AlexanderG 11.01.2010 03:09

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Сообщение от Sim (Сообщение 843832)
[B]That is, former judge,

Pochemu byvshii?

 now known under the nickname of Seema, suddenly "stepped back" and declare: "my name is ....., I am an expert on .... and I testify that yesterday in the directory .... I saw the picture "Tatlin" to play by Maeterlinck. This is bullshit. And to add arguments, links to catalogs and experience. Such is the scenario?

Esli vy delaete utverzdenie, ono dolzno byt 'argumentirovannym. Poetomu ia predlozil, pered tem, kak govorit ' "eto poddelka", predstavit'sia i ob'iasnit' pochemu.

Naprimer: uborschitsa tiotia Masha, govorit, "tak eto ze ne Rembrandt!". Komitet po Rembrandtu govorit: "eto Rembrandt". Vsio, vrode v poriadke, no osadok ostaiotsia ..:)

 But, forgive my cynicism, will deprive your antique dealer and life of intrigue. Themselves first and strangle it. Well, think for yourself. Ie will be a place where sitting on duty, who, as nazhmesh the button, so pop up and gives advice. Boring!. I am so when I go looking for mushrooms, I dream that all mushrooms good food from the trees: I'm here, Grab me. A bad mushrooms so silent and self-destruct.

Voprosy podlinnosti ne rassmatrivaiutsia. Rassmatrivaiutsia opisaniia v katalogah.

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Сообщение от Sim (Сообщение 843942)
Cyril Syzransky, the first part I have long understood. And for the realization of the second must change the conditions of the forum. I talk on facebook under the name. And let me tell you that here was a virtual life still draws and corrupts. And where you all know in person and in life - of course, is responsible for his words and think hundred times before you speak. W

Vot etogo i hotelos 'by dostich'. Otvetstvennosti za slova.

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Сообщение от Pecheneg (Сообщение 844712)
Alexander assumes the role of decoder? If I understand correctly ..

Da, vy pravil'no poniali.

 but who can guarantee that not seeing things can go wrong ... From this no one is safe ... Example .. Take almost any job on "Gelos" ... In the catalog description is a string "Artist (*.*.******.) on podpisi.Kto I can guarantee that this work is that hudozhnika.Komu believe ... self-titled expert experts "Gelos" or rely on their knowledge and intuition ...

Eto sovershenno drugoi vopros, o kotorom ia ne govoril.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 844752)

Not about what "guarantees" the speech was not. Offered assistance.

Sovershenno verno. Pravil'no prochitat ', chto pishut auktsionery vazno. U nih zadacha odna. Kirill ee absoliutno pravil'no vyrazil: Prodat 'iv sud ne popast'.

Тютчев 11.01.2010 05:06

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Сообщение от AlexanderG (Сообщение 838502)
Vot eschio odna mysl 'prishla: pered tem, kak nazyvat' liubuiu kartinu poddelkoi, predlagaiu nazyvaiuschemu polnost'iu predstavit'sia. Imia, familiia, oblast 'ekspertizy, zelatel'no opyt raboty i obrazovanie.

Skazt ' "poddelka", ochen' prosto, a nuzno eschio i obosnovat '.
Kogda vstrechaiutsia dva protivopoloznyh mneniia, neobhodim spokoinyi professional'nyi podhod.



You are urged members of the forum display diplomas, titles, affiliation reputable organizations? Why? In order that they were more responsible in their statements about foreign affairs? That does not change, just as no changes outside the forum. That graduates working in prestigious institutions, issues, ridiculous examination or vice versa painted in its incompetence, not confirming the obvious originals. They are not forces to be responsible even the threat completely destroy the reputation! What will change, what we call their names, etc.? We will get in a virtual reality! This will only produce new ways of "hype"! And why are you confident that all will be called real, and not others or invented names? Imagine how soon it will be possible zadurit brains to prospective purchasers? And do not count! ... There is only one opportunity not to be deceived, this trust the arguments of reason, no matter his or someone else! This anonymity makes it possible to bring the discussion of opinions, without regard for anyone else! It is the lack of references to "reputable" organizations (which in some ways built the whole system of false expertise) gives an opportunity to learn what it takes to judge a thing and actually! At the forum a person learns to understand and draw conclusions independently, due to the fact that he has to argue his point of view regarding the views of other forum participants, or those things that are discussed here. Forum - this communion of intelligences, rather than various "authorities"!

Why deprive the forum of how it differs from other types of communication?

AlexanderG 11.01.2010 07:00

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Сообщение от Tjutchev (Сообщение 845072)
you call

Ia ni k chemu ne prizyvaiu, a predlagaiu byt 'otvetstvennymi za svoi slova.

Forum participants demonstrate diplomas, titles, affiliation reputable organizations? Why? In order that they were more responsible in their statements about foreign affairs? That does not change, just as no changes outside the forum. That graduates working in prestigious institutions, issues, ridiculous examination or vice versa painted in its incompetence, not confirming the obvious originals. They are not forces to be responsible even the threat completely destroy the reputation!

Eto ochen 'grustno. Komu togda verit '? Ia privyk doveriat 'mneniiu spetsialista ili gruppy spetsialistov. Oni imenno dlia etogo i suschestvuiut, a ot oshibok ne zastrahovan nikto.

What will change, what we call their names, etc.? We will get in a virtual reality!

Ne vizu raznitsy, gde my rabotaem s real'nymi den'gami, v reale ili v virtuale. Finansy odinakovy.

This will only produce new ways of "hype"! And why are you confident that all will be called real, and not others or invented names?

Ia ne uveren. No eto uze navernoe osobennosti vedeniia biznesa.

Imagine how soon it will be possible zadurit brains to prospective purchasers? And do not count! ... There is only one opportunity not to be deceived, this trust the arguments of reason, no matter his or someone else! This anonymity makes it possible to bring the discussion of opinions, without regard for anyone else! It is the lack of references to "reputable" organizations (which in some ways built the whole system of false expertise) gives an opportunity to learn what it takes to judge a thing and actually! At the forum a person learns to understand and draw conclusions independently, due to the fact that he has to argue his point of view regarding the views of other forum participants, or those things that are discussed here.


Forum - this communion of intelligences

A vot v etom ia absoliutno ne uveren. Otkuda vy znaete, kto na drugom kontse?

not all sorts of "authorities"!

Avtoritet zarabatyvaetsia, v dannom sluchae intellektom, opytom, ekspertizoi.

Why deprive the forum of how it differs from other types of communication?!

Prodaza, est 'prodaza. Ne vizu raznitsy sovsem.

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Da, kstati, eto bylo tol'ko predlozenie, ego sovershenno ne nuzno prinimat 'za deistvitel'nost'.

Eto predlozenie pomoglo by izbezat 'mnogih sporov. Vy ze ne budete dokazyvat 'chto-libo ucheniku srednei shkoly? Vy ze ne budete sporit 'o dostoinstvah romana s negramotnym? Tak is kartinami. Est 'spetsialisty, a est' prosto tak.

AlexanderG 11.01.2010 12:37

Kirill, ia ne vozrazaiu protiv Franklina.

Prosto bez professionalnogo podhoda, sistemy, schitaiu nevozmoznym serioznoe razvitie rynka.

Imenno etim vyzvany moi predlozeniia dlia uchastnikov foruma. Na dannom etape, ia daze soglasilsia delat 'eto besplatno, no kak chast' vyrabotki universal'noi sistemy, vzaimoponiatnyh opredelenii, i dal'neishego sotrudnichestva.

SAH 11.01.2010 13:06

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 845252)
When it comes to the main, a favorite product of these patriots is an engraved portrait of Benjamin Franklin on the hundred-dollar bills.

Very apt observation.

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Vy ze ne budete dokazyvat 'chto-libo ucheniku srednei shkoly? Vy ze ne budete sporit 'o dostoinstvah romana s negramotnym? Tak is kartinami. Est 'spetsialisty, a est' prosto tak.

Thanks to Alexander about just better not say :D:D

iside 11.01.2010 16:21

AlexanderG, you are too long to live abroad and are accustomed to doing business and in general any matters in another way, you have already changed the mentality. Sorry that I write about it, but it is obvious to me, because I lived many years abroad and also those suffering. In the RF spread the name and the name of the overall review is not always safe and practical. But do not think that all those who refuse to do so because of some aferistskih motives, does .:shy:

Кирилл Сызранский 11.01.2010 16:26

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Сообщение от iside (Сообщение 845762)
In the RF spread the name and the name of the overall review is not always safe and practical.

Community leaders collectors lecturing here not only my name, but my home address in Samara. :D
A rank and file members of the Community "joke" on the forum over the difficulties of movement in my wheelchair. :p

AlexanderG 11.01.2010 16:38

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Сообщение от iside (Сообщение 845762)
AlexanderG, you are too long to live abroad and are accustomed to doing business and in general any matters in another way, you have already changed the mentality.

Ne sporiu. Mozet byt '.

Sorry that I write about it, but it is obvious to me, because I lived many years abroad and also those suffering. In the RF spread the name and the name of the overall review is not always safe and practical. But do not think that all those who refuse - do so because of some aferistskih motives, does .:shy:

No ved 'mnogie uchastniki hotiat rabotat' s drugimi stranami, prinimaiut uchastie v mezdunarodnyh auktsionah i vystavkah, vedut delovoe sotrudnichestvo s zarubeznymi partniorami. Ishodia iz etogo, ia predpolozil, chto biznes praktika meniaet standart.

Кирилл Сызранский 11.01.2010 16:44

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Сообщение от AlexanderG (Сообщение 845822)
biznes praktika meniaet standart.

"Standard" changes during passport control at the airport.
As departure, so especially on arrival. :D

AlexanderG 11.01.2010 16:47

Kakoi pasport imeem ?:D


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