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gans 14-05-2009 20:09
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Originally Posted by Mark (Post 384446)
Alexander Geynrihs
"To be precise - Odessa" Taking of Christ ... "- a modern copy of the original Caravaggio at the National Gallery of Ireland.

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Odessa is a copy of the original announced in the 1950's by Soviet officials concerned. However, in 1993 in an article published in highly respected, but malochitaemom academic journal, Burlington Magazine, it was proved that the Odessa Caravaggio - Caravaggio did not.

Now, anyone familiar with the works of the maestro, he could see, she looked at the canvas that the Odessa version of a masterpiece - a decent modern copy, but no more.

It is unlikely that the thieves knew they stole a copy of standing in the best case, 10 per cent of the original.

So who has the last laugh? Mafia has punished himself for his own lack of artistic education? Alas, no.

After the thieves are not the only ones who may have missed the article in the Burlington Magazine. "


Miracle delirium. Interesting and this Geynrihs seen in general "Odessa" Caravaggio. Or is the journalistic tricks to find a sensational article in a "highly respected, but malochitaemom academic journal, and to whom all this is designed? Miracle delirium.

Veronic 14-05-2009 20:36
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Originally Posted by gans (Post 385406)
Alexander Geynrihs
"To be precise - Odessa" Taking of Christ ... "- a modern copy of the original Caravaggio at the National Gallery of Ireland.

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Odessa is a copy of the original announced in the 1950's by Soviet officials concerned. However, in 1993 in an article published in highly respected, but malochitaemom academic journal, Burlington Magazine, it was proved that the Odessa Caravaggio - Caravaggio did not.

Now, anyone familiar with the works of the maestro, he could see, she looked at the canvas that the Odessa version of a masterpiece - a decent modern copy, but no more.

It is unlikely that the thieves knew they stole a copy of standing in the best case, 10 per cent of the original.

So who has the last laugh? Mafia has punished himself for his own lack of artistic education? Alas, no.

After the thieves are not the only ones who may have missed the article in the Burlington Magazine. "


Miracle delirium. Interesting and this Geynrihs seen in general "Odessa" Caravaggio. Or is the journalistic tricks to find a sensational article in a "highly respected, but malochitaemom academic journal, and to whom all this is designed? Miracle delirium.

When we were in Odessa museum, too, for some reason assumed that it is not original and copy. On energy, I suppose.
Why do you doubt in this version?

Incidentally, during our visit turned out the lights across the street, where the museum. Because of an aunt, and of course the elderly Old ladies in some rooms. The windows all wide open (it was summer), that's how we are protected masterpieces.

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Originally Posted by gans (Post 384926)
[B]- Over the last years of the founders of the Carpathian school of painting Adalbert Erdelyi and Anton Bocsa risen hundreds of times. If even five years miniature brushes Erdelyi cost $ 300-400, now cheaper than $ 16-18 thousand paintings this author does not find.
Anton Bokshay is like a grandson of Joseph Bocsa (or the name mixed up)? Why his work to steal, if you can just buy, because he was still alive and in good health. And I think that the price had more than affordable. Why should you communicate with the criminals? Or so fun? I Bocsa had a son, also Joseph, and they signed the same, which often misleads those who buy paintings (but this is so, for general information, not the subject)

A widow Erdelyi sorry. Thieves entered into her apartment, tied her up and robbed. They took all of the brush Erdelyi. But she did not want to sell them, they had her way, she loved her husband. Immediately after the robbery the woman died. So on the conscience of the thieves, and even murder.

gans 14-05-2009 21:03
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Originally Posted by Veronic (Post 385446)
When we were in Odessa museum, too, for some reason assumed that it is not original and copy. On energy, I suppose.
Why do you doubt this version?
Are you Dublin Caravaggio saw?

In the mid 50-ies of XX century Moscow art Malitskaya proved ownership Odessa works by Caravaggio. And when in the mid-90's, the question arose again, its authenticity was proved unanimously by the Spanish, Italian, and British experts.

And at the expense of "energy", I had heard that Odessa Caravaggio, the best of the "Judas kiss" ever created by different artists.

Veronic 14-05-2009 21:09
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Originally Posted by gans (Post 385506)
Have you seen the Dublin Caravaggio?

In the mid 50-ies of XX century Moscow art Malitskaya proved ownership Odessa works by Caravaggio. And when in the mid-90's, the question arose again, its authenticity was proved unanimously by the Spanish, Italian, and British experts.

And at the expense of "energy", I had heard that Odessa Caravaggio, the best of the "Judas kiss" ever created by different artists.

Maybe so, but the smoke without fire.

Кирилл Сызранский 14-05-2009 21:14
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Originally Posted by Veronic (Post 385526)
Maybe so, but the smoke without fire.
So in the 37-m neighbors were talking about another arrested during the night. Knew him as an honest man, but ... See above.

Veronic 14-05-2009 21:19
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Originally Posted by gans (Post 385506)
Have you seen the Dublin Caravaggio?
I have not seen, but here there are people who studied

"In 1993, graduate of the University of Rome Francesca Cappelletti (Francesca Cappelletti) and Laura Testa (Laura Testa) found in the basement of the family pallatso Mattei surviving ledgers that list the amount paid to Caravaggio for the painting" The Capture of Christ in custody. "
This fact served as the main issue in the recognition of authorship of Caravaggio's "Dublin" version.
In this connection option abducted in Odessa you are likely to be regarded as a copy, but some believe that this could be the author's repetition.
In any case, no investigation by the Rome Institute of paintings by Caravaggio, to confirm or refute this version of the impossible. The museum says that in 2001 the paintings were studied Italian and French experts (names without nazyvat), which allegedly confirmed the authorship of Caravaggio, and the kidnapping and the stalled investigation into the case of doubt only increasing. In addition a number of European experts has since denied the authenticity of the Dublin version.
So there was actually a boy? That's the question: ( "
http://community.livejournal.com/caravaggism

There is no single opinion in any case no.

gans 14-05-2009 21:30
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Originally Posted by Veronic (Post 385566)
So there was actually a boy?
The fact of the matter and that both work of imitators Caravaggio.
And this Geynrihs "discovered America", which were different opinions.

SAH 14-05-2009 22:03
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Originally Posted by qwerty (Post 385116)
is not obtained, I touched some kind of a bust, then lifted him up - no alarm.
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Originally Posted by Jasmin (Post 385136)
We had to pick a bust ... and all
  Especially for Jasmin under performance of my favorite Nina Simone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr2vA...ture=quicklist

Jasmin 15-05-2009 08:58
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Originally Posted by SAH (Post 385676)
Especially for Jasmin under my favorite performance of Nina Simone
Thank you liked !:):):)

ABC 16-03-2010 20:32
The FBI has decided to intensify its investigation of the largest theft of paintings

Federal Bureau of Investigation has decided to intensify the search for 13 paintings stolen from the Isabella Gardner Museum Boston 20 years ago, reports the Associated Press. In the department say that the priority of the investigation - the return of the exhibits in the museum.

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The FBI sent the collected at the crime scene DNA samples to re-analysis. Prosecutors said it is ready to offer immunity from prosecution to people who help out on the trail of stolen works of art.

The museum itself has announced that pay an indemnity of $ 5 million for information that will help in finding stolen paintings. Billboards with the promise of rewards installed along the highway.

If the data provided will help to find only part of the masterpieces of the informant will receive rewards in proportion to the stated market value of the exhibits, which can be found.

Stealing from the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum has been made March 18, 1990. At 1:24 the night, two attackers, dressed in police uniform, was asked to let their guard in the room for an urgent call. Once the door against the rules of the museum were opened, the criminals disarmed the guards. For 81 minutes spent in the walls of the building, they managed to cut from their frames and make the three halls of the museum 13 canvases. Among the paintings stolen were works by Rembrandt, Jan Vermeer, Edgar Degas and Edouard Manet.

On the FBI, on the theft of the Boston museum, the value of stolen is estimated at 300 million dollars. The agency leads AP another assessment - half a billion dollars.

After 20 years after the theft of the museum exposition still contains 13 frames with carved paintings. According to the will of the founder of Isabella Gardner Museum, the location of exhibits can not be changed under any circumstances.

Кирилл Сызранский 16-03-2010 20:40
ABC, read this topic: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=65661

ABC 20-05-2010 13:16
From the Museum of Modern Art in Paris stole Picasso and Matisse
 
From the Museum of Modern Art in Paris, five stolen paintings, including works by Pablo Picasso and Henri Matisse, the Associated Press reported citing a source in the Paris police. Loss of paintings discovered on Thursday morning.

According to unofficial data, also stolen from a work of Braque, Modigliani and Leger. The cost of stolen paintings valued at 500 million euros.

http://lenta.ru/news/2010/05/20/stolen/

Pecheneg 20-05-2010 16:15
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Originally Posted by Veronic (Post 385446)
Anton Bokshay is like a grandson of Joseph Bokshay (or the name mixed up)? Why it works to steal, if you can just buy, because he's alive
Anton Bokshay ....? Probably the author of the article confused ..

Bokshay Josip JOSIPOVIĆ (in 1891 - in 1975) arodivsya 2 Zhovtnia 1891 with a rock. Kobiletska Polyana Рахівського area Закарпатської області. In 1914 році закінчив навчання in Будапештській академії obrazotvorchih Mistetstvo. Member Національної Спілки художників Ukraine z 1948 roku. Honored діяч Mistetstvo Ukraine (1951 p).. Member-correspondent Академії Mistetstvo CPCP (1958 p).. People's Artist of Ukraine (1960 p).. People's Artist of CPCP (1963 p).. Raz r AM Ерделі організував'm the first to Закарпатті painter school. He died in 1975 at rock am Uzhgorod Закарпатської області.

 

Bokshay Josip JOSIPOVIĆ (molodshy)

Bokshay Josip JOSIPOVIĆ (molodshy) (1930 - 2002) Narodivsya 18 Bereznia 1930 roku in Uzhhorod Закарпатської області. In 1951 році закінчив Uzhgorodske College of Applied Mistetstvo. , 1957 році закінчив Львівський інститут application that decorative Mistetstvo, Faculty of monumental and decorative rozpisu. Member Національної Спілки художників Ukraine h p 1963. He died in 2002 roku Угорщині.


Kassai Anton Mikhailovich (1921 - 1992) Narodivsya 24 Dire rock in 1921 with. Дубриничі Perechinskogo area Закарпатської області. Navchavsya in Ужгородській державній реальній гімназії. Member Національної Спілки художників Ukraine h p 1954. People's Artist of Ukraine (1964 p).. He died in 1992 at rock am Uzhgorod Закарпатської області.


I am sorry that the Ukrainian ... I do not have time to do the translation ...


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