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Meister 22.07.2008 21:23

untwist it seems possible that you like) but probably always be possible)) the whole question of how to approach this ... probably what a talented artist, the less need of it vbuhat, the less it is interesting, the more ... as indeed in advertising business ...

LCR 22.07.2008 21:37

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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 25866)
maybe as a talented artist, the less need of it vbuhat, the less it is interesting, the more ... as indeed in the advertising business ...

It's not so easy, sir.
All decide raskrutchika ambitions and his views on the potential unwinds: the greater the potential, the greater the costs - a large ship - a large swimming ":)

Meister 22.07.2008 21:46

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 25886)
the more potential, the greater the costs

not without it, but forgive me unleash a classical artist is incredibly difficult, because such muleny ... and unleash it to the normal money, too nizya))) only if you do not think that he is drawing, sitting on the car, were going at a speed of 250 km /h )))) I mean that the very subject of promotion are also many important

fross 22.07.2008 21:49

: Not exactly a linear relationship, but rather exponential (ie, after growth reaches saturation, when no matter how much the result of a hyperlink is not improving) or vibrational (first increase then decline, then growth is possible again). Level of desired growth is important - from this and depends on the budget.

And yet, if you look at the experience of the consumer market, we must remember that in the short-term prospects given the higher growth in average things (ie understandable to the greatest number of consumers). Progress outstanding items will require much more time.

I do not know how it applies to the art market, but I think the border is heavily worn.

Regarding the promotion of one of many equal - when there is no possibility to become the first in its category (well, late for a couple of hundred years:)) then you must create a new category and it be the first. This is well illustrated in the review of trends in contemporary art from the esteemed LCR

Meister 22.07.2008 21:52

borders on all my long no no ... most people do not understand what is called art and what is not ...

LCR 22.07.2008 22:19

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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 25906)
is not without it, but forgive me unleash a classical artist is incredibly difficult, because such muleny ... and unleash it to the normal money, too nizya))) only if you do not think that he is drawing, sitting in a car were going at a speed of 250 km /h)))) I mean that the very subject of promotion are also many important

Why? Here's a "classic" artists who hyped, and very healthy in most recent years.

Meister 22.07.2008 22:25

And how do they cost?

LCR 22.07.2008 22:29

We do not know about a year ago, between 250,000 and 400,000 pounds.
This New Leipzig School, they are mentioned in the article about the impossibility of failure, which I translated.

Meister 24.07.2008 12:00

not bad .... interesting how about this? as an interim product, which is then thrown out?

LCR 24.07.2008 12:45

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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 26856)
anything interesting to me .... how about this? as an interim product, which is then thrown out?

This is really the most interesting question. Of course, you realize that the answer to it I do not.
The article about the collapse seems to think that these artists are not worth that much money, and that this temporary effect, but really, everything will depend on the power of promotion, because in the early career of some of Freud probably people, too, wondered this question, and even now it is not clear whether this painting is worth the money that pay for it.

I mean, when you look at Bacon, like it or not, but visible clot of energy, about which he wrote, Kostya felt that this phenomenon is uncommon. In Freud's painting is nothing I can not see.

I have these artists (Leipzig School) pretty soon - simply because they are engaged in painting, writing inks on canvas, rather than deal with video-audio-One-God-knows-how-are-art and beetles do not kill - but nne Moreover, in the end, it all lisch a kind of neo-academic style.

In any case, the actual purchase is strongly untwisted art, in my opinion - a very risky operation, but of course it is - my opinion on things. You see, now market is euphoric, but for me this very euphoria - a sign of impending correction.

qwerty 24.07.2008 13:23

LCR, If the correction will happen, that Bacon and his like giants, it will not be affected (at least, serious work), but what will happen to the Leipzig School - hard to say.

LCR 24.07.2008 13:25

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Сообщение от qwerty (Сообщение 26906)
LCR, If the correction will happen, that Bacon and his like giants, it will not be affected (at least, serious work), but what will happen to the Leipzig School - hard to say.

Completely agree.

Meister 24.07.2008 14:24

qwerty, and Freud touches? in principle, he, too, a giant? (I have a form view of market participants. Personally, I absolutely totally agree with you. Around the works of Bacon blobs of energy, and around Freud 0). I think that the Leipzig School tryahnet seriously. Once people disappear, which the promoting them, and they are in a crisis will inevitably perish from the Leipzig School will remain a small memory, and a handful of sad people with distressed canvases.

Vladimir 24.07.2008 15:18

Can depreciate Neo Rauch?
 
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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 26946)
I think that the Leipzig School tryahnet seriously. Once people disappear, which the promoting them, and they are in a crisis will inevitably perish from the Leipzig School will remain a small memory, and a handful of sad people with distressed canvases.

A lot of it is known in the history of examples of people who have bought works by artists that are included in the monograph, had numerous publications, exhibitions, etc. zanchitelnye would remain with distressed canvas? Let us concretize:
1. Can depreciate Neo Rauch? And that for this to happen?
2. What examples from history can attest to the risks of depreciation for all? Temporary "drawdown" - does not figure too Impressionists sink.

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 24806)
Press too just not write.

The normal press - write. In the Internet so well.

qwerty 24.07.2008 18:43

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Сообщение от Meister (Сообщение 26946)
qwerty, and Freud touches?

In fact, I share your views and opinions of LCR on this artist. Judge for yourself, in principle, nothing new in his work there: ugly human figures in the thirties, forties, a large number of Germans were doing, in particular Grosh and Grundig. His work in the market is not enough: the last ten years through auctions was only about seven dozen different sizes and quality, of course, not all sold. That is, there is no normal market. I think it's the same story as with Rothko: You can always find some very wealthy Pinocchio, not too versed in the subject, and convince them that they face painting brilliant genius, which in future will be even more brilliant. In this case, a small amount of work suddenly becomes a plus: this no one, well, in general, Shanghai leopards. In general, I would recommend stvl forumcanam invested in this artist.:)


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