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Евгений 16-06-2013 07:05

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Originally Posted by Maroussia ; 2638361 "
Here's masterpieces from the collection of e Natanova

"Masterpieces " in quotation marks , or take or mail - fraud scam artist from Natanova .
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Originally Posted by Maroussia ; 2638361"
PS Sorry , the topic turned to the "assessment " may be good administrators will fix " it in the" Kaleidoscope "?

Topic should be moved to where it is supposed to be .. :
" Beware of fake paintings !"
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=7665
this shit , along with the "expert " M. Valyaeva only there and place ..

Маруся 16-06-2013 08:27

I'm ashamed to say , I thought that everything is clear without the quotes <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Eugene, I think the question is not only and not so much about fakes - this has long been nothing new and is not even a conscious or ' irresponsible ' participation in the process of some Russian experts
And that, in the process , including the Russian museum community And not ordinary provincial museums and museums that hold significant collections of Russian avant-garde

khmelev 16-06-2013 09:02

I think that it is better to leave it a separate topic , p.ch. there is not the banal bullshit production and patronage in the process of the titled art , museums, and government officials.
I 'll try to find a typical example of " natanovskih " market place here and to all of the above was obvious

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certainly incorrect to express any thoughts zaglazno, but in the context of an investigation initiated and letters Sarabyanova it is appropriate to look to see how some of the documents

khmelev 16-06-2013 09:33

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certainly incorrect to express any thoughts zaglazno, but in the context of an investigation initiated and letters Sarabyanova it is appropriate to look to see how some of the documents

Fed 16-06-2013 09:42

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky (Post 2638151)
And who was supposed to "get"?


The prosecutor's office, certainly.


"Exhibition on Tour (" Alexandra Exter and her friends ") are interested in the prosecutor's office, because in this project big money."

Кирилл Сызранский 16-06-2013 10:11

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Originally Posted by Fed (Post 2638511)
Prosecutors , certainly .

"Exhibition on Tour ( " Alexandra Exter and her friends " ) are interested in the prosecutor's office , because in this project big money ."

Listen , Fed, you 've lost me . <! - ~ 12 ~ ->
Or themselves entangled. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

The exhibition " Alexandra Exter and her friends", where nearly 200 papers have been arrested , and she was closed for 3 days ahead of schedule , was held in France.

And then your words about our " police state " cheated and disadvantages " go to the police "?
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Originally Posted by Fed (Post 2638101)
Interestingly, when your police state , this is still not reached.

However, here is a classic version of the scam when deceived unprofitable to go to the police .

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Fed 16-06-2013 10:20

It's simple: there where the "big money" appears in the prosecutor's office.

Confirmations and exhibition cover, which is now on the link in the directories will appear on your home <! - ~ 1 ~ -> and not in the Tour.


So I am surprised that the cavalry in this business segment has not yet appeared.

Кирилл Сызранский 16-06-2013 10:39

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Originally Posted by Fed (Post 2638561)
Confirmations and exhibition cover , which is now on the link in the directories will appear on your home <! - ~ 1 ~ -> and not in the Tour .
 

Got it. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
But that's about the " rounds " :
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Originally Posted by Sandro; 284845 "
Another very good. popular path in the West " collectors " ( immigrants ) put their belongings in shabby cities in Europe, print catalogs , or even better - to dilute their collections of museum items , and then on these directories to try to sell something Russian .


Pavel 16-06-2013 10:41

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Originally Posted by Fed (Post 2638561)
Quite simply, where the "big money " appears in the prosecutor's office .
Confirmations and exhibition cover , which is now on the link in the directories will appear on your home <! - ~ 1 ~ -> and not in the Tour .

So I am surprised that the cavalry in this business segment has not yet appeared .

Provenance ! This is not the provenance , and the promotion of a fraudulent combination. I do not believe that the museum workers were doing something for free , because that was a fool and it is clear that after the promotion will carry pictures to sell to large auctions , but to buy something they will be our oligarchs . Lucky because we do not have such large auctions, and if this were simply not happened.

Eriksson 16-06-2013 11:29

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Originally Posted by Maroussia ; 2638361 "
It should be noted that the editor of the latest edition of A was Yurlova M Valyaeva I suspect that all of the many expert - also her

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Originally Posted by Eugene ; 2638451 "
this shit , along with the "expert " M. Valyaeva only there and place ..

Lord , I am not aware of the matter and ask to clarify what specific crimes expert Valyaeva guilty ? Coincidentally, I had just finished reading her book "The Age . Plot of the drama ." This is a serious work of art criticism , also well written . Somehow I do not imagine that the author a monograph is confirming bullshit .
And I am deeply disgusted " suspicion " Maroussi . It's you , Maroussia , personally suspect , without giving any evidence of fraud , and the stigma remains on the person . In a decent society for such vysskazyvanie can be put behind bars - for defamation. Especially because you are hiding behind the nickname , and the charges relate to a real person .
In short , the facts on the table!

uriart 16-06-2013 12:20

Eriksson, in this situation involuntarily recalled the publication of a new method for authentication of art works written E.Basner.

If you remember, there is emphasis on radioactive isotopes in the paint.

Маруся 16-06-2013 12:20

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Originally Posted by khmelev; 2638501 "
it is appropriate to look to see how some of the documents

Here I sit now and I study this your Czech- English "document" without form, and sign and what does it mean ? A variant on The Model ? Or compilation of conclusions ? And for what purpose could such a paper?
The description clearly mentioned shearers , Anatoly ( b. 1924) - Soviet and Russian art historian , researcher Russian avant-garde. And as a longtime fan and scholar of Tatlin
Then who is this " Ph.D. architect Alexey shearers ", was present at the opening of the exhibition in Yaroslavl? Son of the Father ?

khmelev 16-06-2013 12:31

And I am deeply disgusted " suspicion " Maroussi . It's you , Maroussia , personally suspect , without giving any evidence of fraud , and the stigma remains on the person . In a decent society for such vysskazyvanie can be put behind bars - for defamation. Especially because you are hiding behind the nickname , and the charges relate to a real person .
In short , the facts on the table
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 if one of the experts sued for defamation that would be good. But then neither Jafarova directly accused Aven , nor Gladkov with Churak that confirmed perelitsovannye picture or Basner , now passing a criminal case, or many others in the court serves . And thus depriving themselves in an open and public court to prove his innocence .

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And for what purpose could such a paper?

In order to obtain money <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Маруся 16-06-2013 12:34

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Originally Posted by Eriksson; 2638701 "
And I am deeply disgusted " suspicion " Maroussi . It's you , Maroussia , personally suspect

Yes, yes, of course, personally , and of course, not always accurately express their thoughts in a context that you quoted , " suspect "="suggest that the examination is also carried M Valyaeva " Pro fraud, in my opinion, it's you cooked the rest

A document for an example here just recently posted , and M Valyaeva it spelled out in black and white Not to mention other examples of scientific activities , which has been discussed in the forum, in particular

Eriksson 16-06-2013 12:37

Source of information:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...ry-ring-busted

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Originally Posted by khmelev; 2638751 "
But neither Jafarova directly accused Aven , nor Gladkov with Churak that confirmed perelitsovannye picture or Basner , now passing a criminal case, or many others in the court serves . And thus depriving themselves in an open and public court to prove his innocence .

Thought healthy .

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Originally Posted by Maroussia ; 2638771 "
A document for an example here just recently posted , and M Valyaeva it spelled out in black and white Not to mention other examples of scientific activities , which has been discussed in the forum, in particular

I scanned the forum . In different contexts , different authors for various transgressions forum users accused Pospelov, Jafarova Valyaeva , Gorbachev , Lomidze Turgin , Basner , Petrov and a number of other less important experts.

Maybe even discard the institution iskustvovedcheskoy expertise?


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