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Серж 06.03.2013 19:59

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Сообщение от True (Сообщение 2490011)
Starting 17c.
Attribution of the National Art Museum of Ukraine.


If there do attribution icons of the 19th century as 17c., The urgent need to go there with the icons of the 17 18vv., To get an expert opinion on the earlier centuries :)>

Do not amuse yourself with hope.
IMHO

Истина 06.03.2013 20:01

Attribution was obtained verbally, to the offer document I refused, because
at that time did not think about the usefulness of this document.
So I turned to the forum for determining the collection value for the feasibility of the chemical.
analysis of paint.

Pecheneg 06.03.2013 20:07

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Сообщение от Truth (Сообщение 2490011)
Start 17c.
Attribution of the National Art Museum of Ukraine.

Do not disgrace and shame Ukraine!


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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2489951)
the second half of XIX, in my amateur opinion, not before.

And in my opinion diletansky, I'd dated the mid - 19th ..
not before.

Кирилл Сызранский 06.03.2013 20:18

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Сообщение от Truth; 2490101"
So I turned to the forum for determining the collection value

About collectable.
Now put a hammer bolle 40 and Ball 20
For every taste and budget, as they say. :)>

usynin2 06.03.2013 20:35

And turn icons, design boards, does not correspond to the 17th century.

Серж 06.03.2013 21:07

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Сообщение от usynin2 (Сообщение 2490181)
And turn icons, design boards, does not correspond to the 17th century .

" Behold the root " ( s), ie pay attention to - the iconography , and that it will not remember what to somewhere in museums or directories met the 17th century image of the Three Hands (meaning Russia ).
And the iconic board and is of secondary importance when the attribution , but not an indication of the time of writing the image.

Кирилл Сызранский 06.03.2013 21:23

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Сообщение от Truth; 2490011"
Start 17c . Attribution of the National Art Museum of Ukraine .

And in the museum have said that in Russia, the first copy of the icon of Our Lady , " Three Hands " was sent from the monastery for Hilandarskogo only Patriarch Nikon in 1661 and installed it in the Resurrection New Jerusalem Monastery. And this is the second half of the 17th. :)>
 Now in the collection of the Museum " New Jerusalem" contains a list made ​​with the very same icon in 1854 , the very same list of Hilandarskogo monastyryapropal .
But in Moscow there are several ancient copies of the icon - one in the Assumption Cathedral Bulgarian monastery , the other - in the Trinity Cathedral of St. Daniel Monastery.
And here is an example of such a "village " of the letter:

Истина 06.03.2013 21:55

We thank all the participants of the forum to discuss the topic.

K-Maler 06.03.2013 23:01

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Сообщение от Truth (Сообщение 2489471)
Icon'' Three Hands "370h310h25mm.

Does an icon in this state, a collection value?


Icon rare.
The main thing - the face of preserved nature folds.
Can be sold to a museum.
nice icon, something the Bulgarian in it.

Кирилл Сызранский 06.03.2013 23:12

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 2490481)
icon rare.

Oh, yes, very much!

70 icons of this recension right here is for sale on the online auction hammer.
 
:)>
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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 2490481)
Bulgarian something in it.

All I somehow Norwegian!
I'm all for something Spanish!
(a) :D>

K-Maler 06.03.2013 23:14

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Сообщение от Truth; 2489841"
I think the icon has been rewritten since added board and there are two kinds of canvas, the 70

It has not been copied , but clearly ponovlyalas , background , stars. Not a village .
Three Hands is in St. Nicholas Cathedral in St. Petersburg.
Earlier letter than 19c. Faces in the 19 's already been written. Special degree of deformation close to Hesychasm, their artists , a tradition long maintained.

Аркадий 10.03.2013 05:16

The icon of the 19th century (the first half), gross provincial letters.
This recension Dame certainly not rare, as rightly pointed Cyril Syzran.
Uninteresting in every way, unfortunately ..


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