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Дилетант 12.12.2012 19:18

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Сообщение от Edward , 2384551"
craquelure natural as it can be artificial ?)))
As for the signature on top of craquelure , arm the tool and will update !

"Armed " best microscope Stemi 2000 -C ... :)>
Although , believe me, in this case, and without any Zeiss clearly seen in the photo.
A craquelure than "natural" ( so-called. Cr -p aging), it is more technological, traumatic etc ( this is - by birth) . And he has thrown , is divided on the basic physical characteristics ...
And yet, as noted earlier , there are rogues , rascals and various methods of creating artificial craquelure ... ( but still under the microscope you can see everything ).

Эдуард 13.12.2012 10:30

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Сообщение от Dilettante , 2384891"
are thieves , rascals , and a variety of techniques to create an artificial craquelure ... (But

And it really does not make sense , so to speak , " craquelure " such a great job ! for what? raise the price tag on a pair of tyrov ? No Dear, craquelure his ! Related to this is no fraud took place, and it craquelure in tobacco smoke ) )) but the signature is verified .

Дилетант 13.12.2012 10:41

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Сообщение от Edward , 2385571"
And it really does not make sense , so to speak , " craquelure " such a great job !

Edward , craquelure on your picture - not artificial. He - Technology ( of which I have had the honor to report to you .) And to argue with this at least - is unwise.
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Сообщение от Edward , 2385571 "
No Dear, craquelure his !!!

Your , your own! No one takes :)>.

Эдуард 13.12.2012 10:55

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Сообщение от Dilettante, 2385581
at least - is unreasonable

In no case do not argue with you :shy:> Just to inform you, so to speak about some of the stories!
Tell me please, if the examination of this work, in which the amounts can not do?

PS: In any case, thank you very much))

John Preston 13.12.2012 11:09

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Сообщение от Edward (Сообщение 2385601)
Do not argue with you :shy:> Just to inform you , so to speak about some of the stories ! Tell me please, if the examination of this work , in which the amounts can not do ?
PS: In any case, thank you very much ))

Examination on this artist perform well out of place , Edward ! Subscribe to the comments previously made by forum users. The only correct way - look at the outputs of the artist , that he confirmed the authenticity of the work !

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Сообщение от Manna (Сообщение 2383661)
Examination does not pay off.
He (Kostroma Vinogradov) not worth the money when it makes sense to do.


That's right it was said.
:cool:>

Сергей Мельников 13.12.2012 14:07

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Сообщение от Edward (Сообщение 2385601)
Do not argue with you :shy:> Just to inform you , so to speak about some of the stories ! Tell me please, if the examination of this work , in which the amounts can not do ?
PS: In any case, thank you very much ))

Address as of 1988 - 156007 , Kostroma, ul. Yakimaniha , 17 , Apt. 56.

And here's the address of the Ryazan L. Vinogradova - 390000, Ryazan, . Kashirina 4 kv.21 .

Kostroma, by the way, the Directory is listed as "schedule " and Ryazan - as an "artist ." Send a letter with a photo will be cheaper than any examination . True, not a fact that still live there.

The biggest drawback of the picture , in my opinion, is not in the signature and not the craquelure , and its size.

Toinen 13.12.2012 14:12

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Сообщение от Sergey Melnikov, 2385891
The biggest drawback of the picture, in my opinion, is not in the signature and not the craquelure, and its size.



What's wrong with sizes?

Эдуард 13.12.2012 14:37

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Сообщение от Sergey Melnikov , 2385891"
And here's the address of the Ryazan L. Vinogradova - 390000, Ryazan, . Kashirina 4 kv.21 .

Inspired by the idea that the work of the Ryazan L. Vinogradova as work is written there! And according to the available info . of the artist is not.
And where you can see the work of the painter L. Vinogradova Ryazan ?
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Сообщение от Toinen; 2385921"
What's wrong with the size ?

The same question torments !

Toinen 13.12.2012 14:54

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Сообщение от Edward, 2385961
The same question torments!



"in the window two flowers:

Blue yes scarlet!

No way, I would not change

Great on a small canvas! "

Сергей Мельников 13.12.2012 15:19

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Сообщение от Edward (Сообщение 2385961)
Inspired by the idea that the work of the Ryazan L. Vinogradova as work is written there! And according to the available info . of the artist is not.
And where you can see the work of the painter L. Vinogradova Ryazan ?

The same question torments !

Try to send photos to region. hudmuzey them. Pozhalostina , maybe they will be able to confirm authorship.

Size, it seems , will hinder sales. Notional value of the painting at 20-25 rubles that it is unlikely to be interested in the penthouse of the owner with a ceiling height of 3.5 meters Now imagine it on the wall in the room where the ceiling - 2.5-2.7 m

iosif 13.12.2012 15:39

I was at Vinogradov in his workshop in a village near Kostroma.
About five years ago.
In the end, nothing is bought, focusing on the works V.I.Rassypnova.

In the center of Kostroma is artmagazin, the owner - Balykov, very nice and friendly person.
He knows everyone, and certainly tell.

K-Maler 13.12.2012 22:11

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Сообщение от Edward, 2384551
craquelure natural as it can be artificial?)))


Now children can do and craquelure in the shops selling the kits for home work.

Toinen 13.12.2012 22:25

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Сообщение от K-Maler; 2386761"
now and the kids can do craquelure


Craquelure in the painting of natural origin ! Nobody did it artificially . Please read carefully the post № 18 on Amateur.
Craquelure this arose because the ground was applied to the textured surface hardboard and lay uneven layer on bumps and hollows in texture , so absorbs and loses moisture unevenly .

Maskit 14.12.2012 21:10

I have many works of L. Vinogradova like much, is in the collection , such that there is no desire to leave , but there were simpler, which are well gone and paid for all the costs of the wizard and acquisitions. I'm doing it about five years ago , for his 70th birthday , also visited the master in his darevne and probably before the arrival of Joseph rowed all luchshee.Prosti colleague. Many of his works are not worse Stozharov works , with whom he was friends , and sometimes went to the sketches in the village section Yamkovo.V forgery Stozharov at number 1 was , and perhaps is on the site so far , the work Vinogradova.Kto something, buying work by Leonid , sold it for already deceased artist , but the grape to this kind of fraud is not involved , just the level of many works of equal quality, which is confirmed by the last auction in Sovkome , DGG lot 35 , Winter, Vinogradova 95h122 sold for 200,000 rubley.V 2013- year Vinogradov 75, may help him with a new exhibition, what he asked in a recent telephone conversation. luck to him - laborer and a foreman . .

Сергей Мельников 14.12.2012 22:26

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Initially, the owner was interested in authorship and the possible cost of the picture . We discussed everything - and the signature, and craquelure, and board (not canvas ), etc. The owner seems to be desperate to get rich, have lost interest in the " subject." A "subject" has continued without him, " remember ", " was", " visited "
"do not buy ", " selected" , etc. Comrade was a simple question (two), but here, " gushed memories." And where they do ?

If Vinogradov ( Kostroma ) = Stozharova , you loose not only as Grabar.

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That is, he - of his own, all the rest - to himself.


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