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Маруся 02.02.2015 22:59

Grif, why are You so... Article, obviously, read, "creative" it has processed, and this little miss:

"Possible plagiarism and partial use of someone else's work or citation without reference to the source."

Because the information from here: http://www.copyright.ru/ru/documents...h_prav/plagiat Or am I not right?



[QUOTE="iside;1797263"] I am interested in this practical point, if I, for example, as a young gallery owner decides to put an artist who works in someone's style and I can see it, but will present it as just "inspiration", and suppose there will come a competitor and then wrote in his Twitter, they put one, which is all copied from Takahata@

Also recently remembered this topic. Maybe iside, will be interested in. Just in case Patrick Carew (Patrick Cariou) against Richard Prince (Richard Prince) and was the first precedent. Patrick Carew was not limited to a claim of copyright infringement to Richard Prince, and filed a lawsuit to the art gallery Gagosian Gallery Inc. And its owner Larry Gagosian. The basis for the claim was that the gallery has exhibited the work of Prince, published a catalogue of paintings, and sold them for more than $ 10 million.
In the first instance judge decided to withdraw the remaining copies, negatives, CDs, etc. as well as unsold paintings and destroy; and gallery and Gagosian obliged to notify all owners of the paintings on the violations of copyright.
And the court of appeal overturned this decision in the most part (i.e., recognized the disputed only 5 papers out of 30), with great satisfaction Gagosian.
Details here: http://www.theartnewspaper.com/artic...t-appeal/29342

Гриф 03.02.2015 07:09

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Сообщение от Маруся (Сообщение 3372051)
"Possible plagiarism and partial use of someone else's work or citation without reference to the source."

Because the information from here: http://www.copyright.ru/ru/documents...h_prav/plagiat Or am I not right?

Don't know where. The Internet is big, I'm on the URLs don't look.

As for the "possible plagiarism" - then probably not.
1. if I'm from "War and peace" will take the story a little bit of plagiarism. And if Roman phrase from the War and Mr, and Sakovich do not.
2. It seems that there is expertise on plagiarism, which evaluates borrowing in percent...
3. The quote is not plagiarism, because it is not "assigning authorship". But here , of course, the question of what the "quote". If, sorry, "the author's installation consists of a baguette and state" pictures... Yes, I've removed the signature of the author, but put yourself as the author... (installation!)
It is rather plagiarism.
Here we need to talk about a broader notion of the term "plagiarism".
"Using someone else's work for pecuniary gain."

However, for out - there's generally the chance.
Are weak, as the writer says: Yes, I have a copy, so what?

PS And publishers reproductions eagerly looking at the calendar: well, when did 70 years since the death of turns?

kozhinart 03.02.2015 08:48

Вложений: 2
An example of plagiarism:
Picture:
1.Kozhin S. L.
The old oak tree in Kolomenskoye. 2003. Oil on canvas. 110 x 160 see
http://kozhinart.com/ru/gallery/gallery/kolomenskoye
2.Bokanowski Sergey
The old oak tree in Kolomenskoye
Size: 50x70
Cost: 12 000
THERE
http://peizaj.com/galery.html#

художник Федотов 03.02.2015 13:11

Цитата:

Сообщение от kozhinart (Сообщение 3372331)
Example of plagiarism:
Picture:
1.Kozhin S. L.
The old oak tree in Kolomenskoye. 2003. Oil on canvas. 110 x 160 see
http://kozhinart.com/ru/gallery/gallery/kolomenskoye
2.Bokanowski Sergey
The old oak tree in Kolomenskoye
Size: 50x70
Cost: 12 000
THERE
http://peizaj.com/galery.html#
Miniatures

And suddenly,they are randomly, independently copied it from one photo from an old calendar???...

Кирилл Сызранский 03.02.2015 13:33

[QUOTE=художник Федотов;3372561]And suddenly,they are randomly, independently copied it from one photo from the old calendara@

kozhinart is the author of the first landscape and he knows where his "get". :D

Pavel 03.02.2015 14:51

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Сообщение от Кирилл Сызранский (Сообщение 3372591)
kozhinart and is the author of the first landscape and he knows where his "accidentally copied". :D


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Especially the picture of more than a meter. You can say , then the critics , but you can see what is done with photo and fotoaparati is at all.:D:D
And this is a glaring example of plagiarism is Pavlinsky. Criminals can sue him in court and win. I was a little kid I've heard stories about these matters in prisons. So no need to beat anything. The plagiarism.

Маруся 03.02.2015 16:27

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Сообщение от художник Федотов (Сообщение 3372561)
And suddenly,they are randomly, independently copied it from one photo from an old calendar???...

In life, of course, anything can happen... and then on the background of a certain tendency - any version possible.

Only it seems to me that would not have been kozhinart to give an example, knowing that somewhere wanders offended photographer...
Interesting thing: whether kozhinart to do something.

художник Федотов 03.02.2015 16:46

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Сообщение от Маруся (Сообщение 3372771)
Only it seems to me that wouldn kozhinart to give an example, knowing that somewhere wanders offended photographer...
Interesting thing: whether kozhinart to do something.

Of course this is more so, but I assume other exotic cases for potential justification of plagiarism...for Example, "plagiate", accidentally saw on the Internet, freely available, beautiful picture, small format(in pixels), thought it is a beautiful photo, signature small and barely visible, and took my picture...

Or: to him who brought the picture of the original, where it was not visible signature and asked me to make her a picture...Then not take her...the Artist, who is suspected of plagiarism, say, @2,@I blame, he came to me... [/B]

Маруся 03.02.2015 17:22

[QUOTE="художник Федотов;3372781"] I assume other exotic cases for potential justification plagiata@

Excuse me, but why? Thinking to change roles?:)

Pavel 03.02.2015 18:54

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Сообщение от художник Федотов (Сообщение 3372781)
of Course this is more so, but I assume other exotic cases for potential justification of plagiarism...for Example, "plagiate", accidentally saw on the Internet, freely available, beautiful picture, small format(in pixels), thought it is a beautiful photo, signature small and barely visible, and took my picture...

Or: to him who brought the picture of the original, where it was not visible signature and asked me to make her a picture...Then not take her...the Artist, who is suspected of plagiarism, say, @1,@I blame, he came to me... [/B]

I don't like painting with photo. It kind of dull ,though the profane creates the impression of complexity, delanote and buy.
Plagiarism is a repetition of the work for commercial purposes-this is theft.
And creativity is the notion of influence, but it is for creativity.

Гриф 03.02.2015 22:03

[QUOTE="iside;1795693"]Wonder where is the line between copying (plagiarism) style of one artist ( sculptor, installer) and the influence of which was provided on one drugogo@

So: copy style is NOT plait never.
Plagiarism is out of copyright, and the copyright extends only to the "subject" of creativity.
Style? Yes for God's sake! Write
"The way of writing of paintings using ink, characterized in that is used only white with a lead content of not less than 76 and not more than 79 percent."
All. The expert can't find (Malevich there is a similar, but let them prove procentowe!). The patent at hand. Style reserved.

And plagal - this refers to the fact that patents (technical) is not given. Vneshniy...
So, if your friend makes one-on-one - he's not plagiorchis. No.

(from the point of zrenija applicable law, of course... "obshestva" may be their opinion different from the opinion of lawyers)

iside 04.02.2015 00:53

Wow, how nice that the subject is still living.

She believed herself (very interesting after all these years, as if not I wrote), revered others - thank you all.

Cyril Syzran Marusya as always for the excellent level of awareness about everything that happens.

I started the topic in 2011, and this was one situation, and now instagram is still more complicated. Yeah I wonder how things will develop further.

iside 04.02.2015 11:50

By the way I forgot about the cases with singer Rihanna.

It is certainly not an artist, but modern singers are not just sing, they create their image and become like media artist. That does not prevent podvorovyvaet ideas from other Naousa, but no less talented colleagues.

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