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Кирилл Сызранский 04.11.2010 00:54

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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 1362031)
If you can tell me more, I think it's interesting.

Nothing much is not here. Modern Jews of Israel, living in vrozhdebnom environment and successfully for 60 years, reflecting the Arab aggression, hard to understand the sacrificial obedience of their ancestors from Eastern Europe and very much not accept it. This and not the adoption and cultural Diaspora. Moreover, many prizritelno relate to her, to Yiddish literature, etc. Yes, and Zionism, an ideology which is based on a fundamental negation of Diaspora. Tout have a story to climb. Not the format here will agree. Simply said: the tragedy of the Jewish people in 1939-45. proved the failure of the idea of assimilation in the Diaspora, and therefore, according to idiologov Zionism, the only way to avoid this in the future is the elimination of Diaspora and the return of all Jews in Israel. Something like this ...
 
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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 1362031)
Actually, that is - the art market in Israel?

About the art market of Israel know little.

I-V 04.11.2010 01:07

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky; 1362091"
about the art market of Israel

For some reason I started talking about it: Everyone has heard that our fellow citizens - actors, writers, poets, etc. long travel to Israel with concerts and performances, as his home. And what about artists? It is clear that the exhibitions, there are apparently selling. But how it interacts with the art of Israel itself, as well as those of "our", who went there even when the Soviet Union? Are there any auctions where the Russian (Jewish) art? In short, it's all a compote, which was curious to learn :) "I'll have to he studied Network :)

Well, just for instance: http://tarbut.zahav.ru/cellcom/art/article.php?view=758

In Israel, there are always a few auction houses - Matsart, Montefiore, Tiroche, - that periodically, every few months trading. Israeli art auctions are relatively young. If the history of European auctions began in the mid-18 th century, when London hosted the first auction of the largest in the world today, auction house Sotheby's (1744) and Christie's (1766), the Israeli culture auctions evolved in the past two or three decades. This is not surprising - the country-something young. And this young country has to show that "the city and the world": the Israeli art is in great demand not only in our Palestine, but also abroad. Trades are not limited to the works of local artists: the Israeli auctions you can find works by Picasso and Miro, the artists of the Renaissance and the Russian avant-garde, and much, much more.

Кирилл Сызранский 04.11.2010 01:20

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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 1362121)
Are there any auctions where the Russian (Jewish) art?

Of course.
Artists in Israel very much, galleries, art-life exists.
But Israel is a small country, the market is small.
We have a participant Jasmin-artist from Israel, it must be asked, but she recently rarely comes here.
I gave two themes of Israeli artists: Benjamin Kletsel and Boris Karafelov, about the exhibition Yahilevicha in Sovkome told.

fabosch 04.11.2010 01:24

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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 1362121)
why I spoke about this: Everyone has heard that our fellow citizens - actors, writers, poets, etc. long travel to Israel with concerts and performances, as his home. And what about artists? It is clear that the exhibitions, there are apparently selling. But how it interacts with the art of Israel itself, as well as those of "our", who went there even when the Soviet Union? Are there any auctions where the Russian (Jewish) art? In short, it's all a compote, which was curious to learn :) "I'll have to he studied Network :)

Few know about the artistic life of Israel. In principle, this is an artistic province. Of course, they have everything there is, and exhibitions, and parties, and a lot of our (including St. Petersburg) artists there leave. But the largest, though left there, but there, of course, did not reach ... Of the Muscovites live there Grobman, from Petrograd - Sasha Okun (he was there they became a sort of trade union leader of artists). In general in the sense of the overall level - it's all pretty average, with Moscow not to compare, so at Peter :D
And by the way, and thence the Russian-speaking writers strive to be printed here. Here are the main reader.

I-V 04.11.2010 01:36

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Сообщение от "fabosch (Сообщение 1362151)
From Muscovites live there Grobman


Something to show him, one after another in Russia are ...

fabosch 04.11.2010 01:37

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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 1362181)
What a show it, one after another in Russia are ...

So they have the same here, not only the main reader, but the main viewer, listener, etc.
That is true, which I do not know is about their auctions. Once ran across some auctions of contemporary Jewish artists, but nothing interesting for himself there, not seen.

Кирилл Сызранский 04.11.2010 01:40

fabosch, Israelis Micha Ullmann-world celebrity. And if you remember, sculptors Ham Sokol also has an Israeli passport.
Here at the forum recalled the wonderful artist Efim Bentsionovich Ladyzhensky. And from old Yitzhak Frenkel-Fresnel, Jakob Steinhardt, Nahum Gutman, Avigdor Ariha ...

I-V 04.11.2010 01:42

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Сообщение от fabosch (Сообщение 1362191)
So they also are not only the main reader, but the main viewer, listener, etc.


We should make an orderly art - sharing: as long as they are with us, we - with them.
Accordingly, to embed the same locks on the doors :)

Art-Galera 19.11.2010 22:19

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 1360931)
That's interesting.
And all these scenes from the past life of small towns Pale, the whole is a modern stylization of art galut (or rather, invented today, there was then no iso in the Diaspora, the first such things appeared as illustrations for the works of Sholem Aleichem Mendele Moher Sfarima and Yitzhak Peretz) naively looks like now. Look like now, modern paintings with scenes from St. Petersburg or Moscow merchant bureaucratic life of XIX century.

Dear Cyril, is always interesting to read your opinion (always competent, always with the fullness and depth of knowledge, education and taste). But it seems to me that, of course, we can assume this trend - and modern styling (though not quite so so modern - yet many of these artists worked in the middle of the last century already). And you can now talk about the search for "Zeitgeist." Or the attempts to recreate this spirit (and when no, actually, painting something and was not). Unless, of course, correct me, was understood your message.

Кирилл Сызранский 19.11.2010 22:26

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Сообщение от Art-Galera (Сообщение 1396861)
(though not quite so so modern - yet many of these artists worked in the middle of the last century already).

"In the middle of last century had already - it's 50-ies. Twentieth century?
But somehow they portrayed scenes from the life of the late XIX.

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And you can now talk about the search for "Zeitgeist." Or the attempts to recreate this spirit (and when no, actually, painting something and was not).

Can agree.


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