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Fed 29.09.2010 08:50

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Сообщение от "Annamain (Сообщение 1299471)
Because now the post-industrial period of development, the product itself is of less importance. And more - promotion ideas, report it to the people

Actually, no "promotion ideas, and creation of services-quantitatively greater than the creation of goods. Such a "small" and is already juggling a "product has less value in the post-industrial society.

Promotion is a service (for advertising brainwashing of the population). But it is assumed that the population is also a post-industrial, ie, very educated and wealthy.

Posav 29.09.2010 11:53

Vydergnul of articles about the singer's "String":
 That cord when singing about "candidates *** algebra" - that young man, this kid and underground luminary. So they all want, let's burn, Serge. And when the pro Khimki forest - a bastard and mediocrity. And let them not dare to say bad words, and songs from him entirely about tits and ass, horror-horror, it's indecent. A cord between categorically do not care who the mother and jiving. He's such a modern akin: that he sees - and sings about it. Of managers now also sang. About alcohol and drugs. Pro-life, in one word.

And it turns out, in the eyes of our wrestlers with the regime - a crime, equal to the Holocaust. When a person is not even against them, but simply - not for them. In general, for anyone. Because he is, damn it, not left, not right, not United Russia and marshist. He is a musician and an ordinary citizen. And they all want that art was not even a social and political. To actors, musicians, writers do not just write about politics - that they become its subjects. The only problem is that once an artist becomes the subject of politics, he nafig ceases to be an artist. Because it ceases to engage in creative work, starting in place of the agitation and propaganda.

Кирилл Сызранский 29.09.2010 12:28


Dmitry Bykov:
Cord can always hide behind the banter and banter that had a high quality, with accurate hits: annoy excessively zealous environmentalists? And how. I think the most immoderate Shevchuk angered fans, and can well understand people who are annoying pathetic and tragic Shevchuk. That's really all anyone seriously. Power has the right postebatsya? Absolutely. Even porugivaya Shevchuk in telebesede with Kirkorov, he openly mocks it all over Kirkorov. All the fun and recognizable, and the problem in one: Glamour is over, and along with it - and banter, and doublethink. Came a new era of seriousness and pathos, and the cord had not noticed, remaining five years of corporate Courchevel, which is why the attempt to revive the group "Leningrad" makes such a miserable experience. Time, the "Leningrad" Schnur shift time Bickford - late, my friend, drink beer and sing about "big and thick x ... in me." He's already in all, and it has no x ... not fun.

Sometimes, that's okay, the artist does not have to resonate with the times, although it should be replaced by experience - it shows sensitivity, customizing the mental apparatus. The paradox, but those who now seriously struggling with Shevchuk - better sense of aesthetics teens than those who are totally ironic, in the spirit of zero. Number of absurdity turned into money, an ironic lack of participation did not get off, it's time of serious reflection and self-determination, and the heroes of this time - is not a group of Leningrad. Strings on this background - a sad anachronism, and its clip so imprudently praised "suverentsy" - not a moral mistake, and stylistic.

However, as history teaches, stylistic errors, and is the worst. Whoever said filth, yet can cause respect, but the one who farted during a tragic monologue ... Well, what's to discuss? Lost and gone further.

 :D :D :D

here.

Pavel 29.09.2010 14:18

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 1291592)
Exhibition in the arena, followed by a walking legend, Gorbachev said, "if it is the people, then it is the people's artist." After that, he was awarded the People's Artist.

At the time, an exhibition in the arena could only ochchen links and Glazunov as did a history cleaner detective. The scandal was then in fact that Glazunov had refused to show because he was not allowed to show this stupid picture of him with the royal tribe, but then allegedly allowed. The people did not go to art but because of curiosity. It was after this exhibition came into use, the term "a la Russia."

Annamain 29.09.2010 18:03

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Сообщение от Fed (Сообщение 1299622)
Actually, no "promotion ideas, and create service-quantitatively greater than the creation of goods. Such a "small" and is already juggling a "product has less value in the post-industrial society.

A large share of services - is a consequence of post-inustriala, as well as its sign, but not its qualitative description. Since the postindustrial production of goods negligible cost and virtually all made in third countries, it is best (more profit) sold trash, provided an attractive idea. The best example - the so-called first "Music of the Buddha," and then FM3 Buddha Machine. First it was an empty shell of the MP3 player with a coin glued back with the figure of the Buddha, there are stuck broken headphones and be happy if you please - listen to the silence. This product was originally riveted from the same empty shells found at the dump, and sold at a considerable cost of about $ 35 per unit + shipping. Now the creators of the "product" expanded the range of colors and add music - 9 tunes that you can not stop or delete. Enlighten you can here and here With regard to the cost of a normal player and the ability to download almost any music from the internet ... It's that - the real goods? .. For industrialization is cheating the people. For the post-industrialization - yes, a full-fledged product. 3%were in mat.chast, 97%- on the Soul Plane idea. Incidentally, in the Russian inete says that the provider does not guarantee finding the statues of Buddha in every product. Bugoga.

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promotion is included in the services (as advertising brainwashing of the population). But it is assumed that the population is also a post-industrial, ie, very educated and wealthy.
What, suddenly all the 6-odd billion will be educated and wealthier? Is that in the kingdom of heaven.

In the postindustrial different dynamic: the owners of businesses in udalenku throws, owns the rights and live in krokodillovyh islands, where offshore and heat. Taxes also pay for krokodillovyh. Production shipped to third countries. Since taxes are effectively gone, the States can not afford social. assurance and control, so a minority of post-industrial population (owners) live in urban enclaves, (they are already under construction in 10 years will be very noticeable). The remaining 90%or more - in a cyber-punk big cities and abandoned areas. I do not think that it promotes the formation and viability.
Now about the promotion. There is a small chance that the inhabitants of the enclaves and the truth will be better educated with better taste. But! Laws of the art market in the form as they look today - a collection of elegant speculations. They are designed for escalation. And escalation is based on the fact that this one art object, whatever it may be - known to millions. So - to miss this thought in a million in the Post-Industriale becomes easier and easier. Harder to create the idea that you can PR, than to make the product itself.
It is easy to see that trash-art facility is much easier to create, and then wrap it in many, many layers piarnoy reality. I think the difference between a time-consuming, thought-intensive and technologically-intensive painting of the Renaissance masters and the "handsome man" F.Gonsalesa-Torres (355 pounds blue and white lollipops) are quite obvious. The second - a typical post-industrial, GHM, product :confused: ... MGM.
Yes - probably a product. :eek:

Fed 29.09.2010 18:51

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Сообщение от "Annamain (Сообщение 1300371)
Because postindustrial production of goods negligible cost and virtually all made in third countries, it is best (more profit) sold trash, provided an attractive idea.

Annamain: "What, suddenly all the 6-odd billion will be educated and wealthier?

In the first sentence of the lack of logic (even direct) - see for yourself. If the cost pr-va goods "negligible", that is why this must follow that it is better to be sold "trash"?

About "6000000000" - signs of post-industrial extend to a maximum of 1 billion. (U.S., Europe and even a few). The others are all in the same forest (some in the industrial).
"Cyber-punk big cities and abandoned areas" - this is about Germany, Switzerland, Melbourne or New York? It's over there with a social-software bad?

 What I do all that - in my opinion, you have built a base out of the void, using the term "post-industrialization, and this emptiness erected a theory of the sale of nonsense, as the invention of recent times. Although views about sold nonsense attended before: "daub the Impressionists," "black-black square, which I can draw," "Tamagotchi" ...

Annamain 29.09.2010 19:37

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Сообщение от Fed (Сообщение 1300532)
Annamain: "What, suddenly all the 6-odd billion will be educated and wealthier?

In the first sentence of the lack of logic (even direct) - see for yourself. If the cost pr-va goods "negligible", that is why this must follow that it is better to be sold "trash"?

Once I read medieval Chinese novel "Jin Ping, Mae and stumbled there on one phrase:
"the right thing is not so easy to sell
shit is selling like hot cakes dismantle "

(If you wish to know the interpreter got into the closet, take a look).
So it's a nice feature of the human psyche, even if it was known. Now on.
The production of normal goods, whose quality you can check on personal experience - that is, everyday things - was cheap. But who will give him a lot? Money is made only at the speed, quantity. The best example - the chewing gum. It is impossible to catch per unit more profitable. In fact, it's normal, because the product simply stamped. And as things domestic, verifiable - it is hard to catch up Baida about great ideas. Advertisers are trying to do it, with varying success. But only very very naive person would believe in the "excellent properties of this unique soap."

One step further, look at a more expensive product, "handmade soap." It would seem complete nonsense - with such abundance of goods people bend back over the soap-making. But this is "handmade" and it is much more expensive ... So?
I looked at the vendor's website soap. There are already places art in such a lather just pathetic. But the nomination is "soap" - that is, household goods. I am sure that production is not too expensive, but bracteoles-upakovochki ... continue? Have almost the same product - but with a noticeable rise in prices. And yet, here money is spent a lot - real butter, time again ... - So that profits can be average or above chsut, but not much.

Going further exacerbates the picture.
trash to create a product easier - physically. So throwing the saddest procedure - the cost of material plus the time for personalization. Write a mural for a long time, the square - much faster, sorry, my friend Malevich, nothing against you have not, just because you got.
As outlined in the Chinese verse, owned this type of product is easier to sell - if you wrap it in mythology and bring it to the client. And if to convey to everybody - the client to pay extra for uniqueness.

Note - I'm not saying that the trash will be sold in large quantities. Why? Who will buy? For the trash can immediately snap nemeryannom profit as a shark in the marinade. In addition, trash is easier to wrap the product in the PR and the shell of expectations, because few people realized it.

- Barrymore, what is it? "
- It is silent fish Baskervilles, Sir.

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About "6000000000" - signs of post-industrial extend to a maximum of 1 billion. (U.S., Europe and even a few). The others are all in the same forest (some in the industrial).
"Cyber-punk big cities and abandoned areas" - this is about Germany, Switzerland, Melbourne or New York? It's over there with a social-software bad?
The theory of the "golden billion" already recognized as obsolete. And the dynamics of the U.S., and the strata of the population, (oh that is too academically sets, sorry!: Shy :) - all this business has greatly changed picture of the forecast. Yes, developed countries are now at the beginning of the post-industrialization (he was not more than 10 years, thought at the time of active development Inet businesses and therefore highly dependent on communications). And, of course, most of the countries present in the post-industrialization is not moved. poetmou all the effects so far appear smoother, and there is still life to compensate them, and camouflage. so far - the key word. Even now, quite openly write that the pension and health care in Europe and the U.S. - precisely to current retirees.

 
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What I do all that - in my opinion, you have built a base out of the void, using the term "post-industrialization, and this emptiness erected a theory about the sale of nonsense, like the invention of recent times. Although views about sold nonsense attended before: "daub the Impressionists," "black-black square, which I can draw," Tamagotchi "...
I'm afraid this theory is not me, so that from the laurels have to renounce ... but by the nature of the work to see it. It is completely proved her serious economists and analysts, the experts forecasts. Do not think that they are pleased with me. And yet, in my opinion, it is better to know an adequate picture than bury our heads in the same place to hide ostriches, and to regularly walk the neighbor's cat. :)

I apologize for the long post.

NATA NOVA 29.09.2010 21:51

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Сообщение от Fed (Сообщение 1300531)
and this emptiness erected a theory about the sale of nonsense, like the invention of recent times. Although views about sold nonsense attended before: "daub the Impressionists," "black-black square, which I can draw," "Tamagotchi" ...

No, comrade Fed, then you are fundamentally wrong - such "nonsense" (bubble sovriska) in the 21 century, there has never been, it's you that I firmly declare (see at least " How to sell a stuffed shark over 12 million) .. Here I agree with Anna on 1000%!

Annamain 29.09.2010 22:03

NATA NOVA, for sure! :)
Donald Thompson, "How to sell for $ 12 million stuffed shark. Scandalous truth about contemporary art and auction houses'
In an Internet text no (I have not found - may be another lucky?) - But it's for the budget price of 259 p sold in ordinary bookstores.
I liked the approach of the professor. He was academic, to get down to details and excellent writing. To my knowledge, hunches and knowledge of certain technologies - is written well enough. That he nedotskazal - you can think out. I hope the professor is in good health!

So I want to say - if the world of auction houses and in general the business as a whole is built on the games, why only the box type Hirst consider it possible to know all this? Maybe that's why a good artist so hard to break and create innovation?
Knowledge - is a real strength. I simply have to make from it a step aside, to forget everything and be creative. And then - a step back, and think. And so on ... Obtained Waltz :)

NATA NOVA 29.09.2010 22:06

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Сообщение от Annamain (Сообщение 1300772)
turns Waltz

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