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Прохожий 01.11.2008 15:06

Cyril Syzransky, the fact that the newspaper "Izvestia" is not published with the support of the gallery "Triumph" (in contrast to the known black booklet) does not say that this article is not customized. In my opinion - a typical zakazuha, ongoing campaign to create a negative image antiquary. Simply issue Preobrazhensky - already forgotten, we must remind the world who is the most impudent impostors, and then, God forbid, somebody, instead of regular "herstni" by chance some sham gain from last time - there is a loss of profits. And in general, for as long as antiquarians and art dealers do not start a serious, carefully thought out, multi-action, which could counter these mud flows, nothing good will.

Meister 01.11.2008 15:11

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 93996)
Meister,
You think is a custom paper

remember who catalog fakes doing?

pedestrian, for a couple of minutes ahead))))

iosif 01.11.2008 15:12

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Сообщение от passers-94005
Cyril Syzransky, In general, until then, while antiquarians and art dealers do not start a serious, carefully thought out, multi-action, which could counter these mud flows, nothing good be.



pedestrian,
Absolutely agree. With only one addition: no action, and campaigns, and not a multi-stage, and permanent. PR-activities in this direction should be carried out continuously. As well as general promotion of the art world as an enjoyable and integral part of the life of every civilized man.

Vladimir 01.11.2008 15:57

I think that the article is not customized. Just genre. There is an axiom: the good news does not sell, complacently article readers are not interested, you all blame and no one to praise. In other words, the audience "Programs and maximum" will always be higher than the channel "Culture". It's not that good or bad. Just because life is arranged in a specific historical juncture. Criticism is always interesting to praise.

Ordered price article should be in someone's interests. Moreover, the hint should be "transparent". Here, believe me, do not. I assure you that to build a logical chain between the problem of forgeries (criticizing antique market) and an appeal to buy contemporary art as free from fakes readers "news" is not built. On this "greed" is known only to professional players art market, which articles are not proshibesh. And the fact that people post articles, become more sensitive to security issues - what's wrong with that? Liability dealers have nothing to fear. On the contrary, someone's reputation above, and in the black, is not it?

Meister 01.11.2008 16:12

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 94056)
On the contrary, who have a reputation above, and in the black, is not it?

not sure ... it's pretty much discourages people who are thinking about undertaking something to buy. Understand who is normal and who is not, few will. Most simply another channel to send money.

Прохожий 01.11.2008 16:53

Vladimir, would like to note once again that the credibility of the printed word rather high. Take at least Ratings artists (or whatever it is a miracle nazyaetsya). It seems an absolute nonsense to compare Aivazovsky and Kabakov - but no, they even assigned the same category ... And nothing, paper suffers, people believe. Some even this scribble when buying paintings guided. So I agree if people suddenly heeded the idea of investing money in a work of art, after such a brainwashing he would rather try to buy some art work than to pay for forgery, whom a huge percentage of the market, according to the author of "Izvestia"

Vladimir 01.11.2008 18:39

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Сообщение от passers-94135
this brainwashing he would rather try to buy some contemporary work than to pay for forgery, whom a huge percentage of the market, according to the author of "Izvestia"

If such an investor - a person so shy, then he may, and should not be in this market consist of? And then he izperezhivaetsya and seller-dealer will be "brain peck" his doubts. Blessing in disguise:) about the dangers associated with investments in modern art media also wrote. Let the smaller, but wrote. Why less? Because antiquarians - closed world, which feared not that the scandals, but any noisy discussion and any sharp words. Because the press and with them boring - there is no information events. That's about the fact that the publication of the catalog fakes ", which made a number of buyers obratititsya to contemporary art instead of antiques, was somehow connected with the gallery" Triumph "went only rumors and whispers. No clear statements and assumptions antique dealers in the public field is not rendered. Is that right? So what are now complaining about "The News"? People write about what is interesting about that and give information. If antique dealers will be more likely to make interesting statements to the press, the result will be forthcoming.

Konstantin 01.11.2008 18:57

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If antique dealers will be more likely to make interesting statements to the press, the result will be forthcoming.
That's for sure.
If you only knew how hard it was to do a photo essay last compartment. No pictures do not give any prices. The fact that Tyukhtin answered questions - great progress. Not much, not fully complete, or questions second, the main answer.
By the way such public actions on this site as "indicators of investment risk" and "Art indices" a step in this direction.

Vladimir 01.11.2008 19:32

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 94186)
No pictures do not give any prices.

Also sighted a strange position. If you came to show off in exhibition mode, and the prices are not called in HEREUNDER, because I do not want to sell - this is one. And if you do not say the price only the press ... Funny, chesslovo:) Well, really think that the press does not know the price in another way? It would be a desire. Ayvazorvsky, I remember, hanging pictures can not, because there is no master. And the work is actually in the catalog of the Salon was published. This so "secret". Or take a number of works have been declared in the top-sheet interior. And the same story: pictures can not, the price does not say. Well, where godtsya? If you are afraid of attention, then why in the top list was put forward?

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In short, be easier and people (the press and buyers) to you irresistibly.

uriart 01.11.2008 19:54

Of course, our brother, antiquary, a peculiar people, with cockroaches in my head!
And no they did not knock out there!
Just look at who in the past were the present gallery owners, and all will become clear!
And you want them to transparency (this despite the fact that publication in top-sheet!), Just stupidity.
Open secret!
So this says about the past and about the intelligence. And he (intelligence) or is or was not and will not be! Never!
That's why all sorts of different articles. And no one is responding and not justified. All gently blow in his tune and keep quiet.
So because of this some antique dealers and gallery owners can be counted on the fingers.
I will not name names!


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