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Кирилл Сызранский 10.05.2010 00:51

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor (Сообщение 1086792)
Well, you can stretch to say: sculptural icon, but icon is an icon, she has a special status, so to speak.

Well, yes: board, of canvas, gesso, tempera, linseed oil ... This is a "special status", so to speak?

Игорь Гурьев 10.05.2010 00:54

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1086842)
Well, yes: board of canvas, gesso, tempera, linseed oil ... Letter in the Eastern Christian tradition ... This is a "special status", so to speak?

Oh.
The nature of imagery on the other.

Icon - is not a picture.

Кирилл Сызранский 10.05.2010 01:04

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor (Сообщение 1086852)
Icon - is not a picture.

I've already heard from you.
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Сообщение от Igor Guriev (Сообщение 998902)
Icon - the special thing on the board, designed for prayer in front of her, and not just like that.

And even asked you twice:
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 998882)

Igor Guriev, but in Russia Madonna and Child with the icon can be?


Pecheneg 10.05.2010 01:34

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor (Сообщение 1086792)
but still the icon is an icon, she has a special status, so to speak.

In determining the status of the icon you are not right ... And how would you assign to that in Western Ukraine there was a tradition to paint icons on glass or on canvas or embroidered icons from the beads, or simply embroidered with a cross ...... how to count you think this icon or not ...

Unfortunately I can not now put the photo ..

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Сообщение от reriks (Сообщение 1086392)
Who is susalka and what is kitsch?

Keech (kitsch, it. Kitsch - moonlight, creating trashy works; it. Verkitchen - cheap sell, sell for a song, do cheapness overtones. For the kitchen - «Kitchen"), cheap, tasteless mass production, calculated on the external effect; synonymous with pseudo in-rum to focus on the external appearance of extravagance. Appeared in the applied arts

Susalka (gold leaf), gold leaf rolled out to a thickness of several microns ... isplzuetsya in painting and gilding of objects made of wood, metal ....

NEO 10.05.2010 01:59

Pecheneg, add that before you write (or have the intention only) icon, many trails were, from the blessing that many days of fasting. For inspiration, the last written exclusively for religious meaning of the icon. According to another and can not acquire.
In terms of iskusstovovedcheskom do not know whether fasted rubles, or drunk as a lord, I know not)))

Pecheneg 10.05.2010 02:49

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Сообщение от NEO (Сообщение 1086952)
before you write (or have the intention only) icon, many trails were, from the blessing that many days of fasting. For inspiration, the last written exclusively for religious meaning of the icon. According to another and can not acquire.

 Countless ofen went to the villages and distribute countless icons, which in terms of high art should be attributed to the artisan crafts and svoeobraznomu mass consumption ..
V. Soloukhin.

Ofen then did not write it with religious motives, but for a bowl of soup and a piece of bread ...

Любознательный 10.05.2010 03:41

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1086692)
curious, there is a carved icons and mosaics, paintings (pictures, with a narrow-minded point of view) and sculpture.
A famous Kholmogors'ka thread? They cut all the icons from the bones of marine animals. There is even a term- Northern bone carvings .
A Perm wooden sculpture?

Thanks for the info, but I know it about 40 years.
Unfortunately, not all and not always possible to keep their hands, so that now lay on the site.
Only in this sub-forum, as I understand, discuss and evaluate the artistic value, but not the tabs of the magazine Ogonyok.
Yes, people are praying and bills. However, we - not in the church and not for we are here.
Or am I mistaken?

On the topic.
Someone decided to make a little money on the outcome of the labor of others.
No problem. But it takes at least a little bit to sort out what bargain.
I understand the heirs who do not understand what they own.
But here is completely different.
So I think your cue from my address unjustified.

Кирилл Сызранский 10.05.2010 03:45

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Сообщение от inquisitive (Сообщение 1087172)
So I think your cue from my address unjustified.

What it is "unreasonable"?
You wrote:
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Сообщение от inquisitive (Сообщение 1086432)
Not ICON you do not ICON.

I wrote:

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1086692)
In the church to illuminate and image the essence of prayer is an icon, not worse than printing, in my opinion.

Everything is normal, I think.

Любознательный 10.05.2010 03:56

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1086842)
Well, yes: board of canvas, gesso, tempera, linseed oil ... Letter in the Eastern Christian tradition ... This is a "special status", so to speak?

I would also add enamel and frescoes, as you somehow did not mention.
To me, this is what is of Russian icon painting.
On the styles do not argue, but let me remind the split.
Time passed, and fryaz not rooted in Russian iconography.
It just smoothly moved onto the canvas in the form of religious art.
Do you think "The Appearance of Christ to the people" icon?
Personally, I hold back opinions.

Игорь Гурьев 10.05.2010 04:05

OK.

Explain.

There is an icon. Byzantine, Russian, Cypriot, etc.

And there are images of the icon: bas-relief, enamel, cloisonne-emalnye, photographic. Even the academic painting was trying to mow under the icon (in places).

The icon is a prayer in paint ().


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