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SAH 01.02.2010 18:23

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Сообщение от Vivien (Сообщение 884602)
So the art and the artist's work is worthless.

For me it is so, too, and vice versa are everything. That is, anything and everything, so I think. Not too difficult? :)

Вивьен 01.02.2010 18:25

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 884662)
But what we do with the rosy dawn
Above holodeyuschimi heaven
Where silence and unearthly quiet,
What are we to do with the immortal verses?

They have no value - they are priceless :)

Pavel 01.02.2010 18:56

The component market is the artists preobretateli and intermediaries between traders, those who buys and sells art lovers. In medieval traders and nebylo luchshe artists have dealt with the main consumers-kings. Who was on the content, ktokak. In Russia, everything depends on the taste of the king. He went and chose. Sweet tutzhe picked obedki and bought up the selected reign artists. It was everywhere yet appeared in frantsiine bourgeoisie and remove the pictures of the merchants.

Кирилл Сызранский 01.02.2010 19:27

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 884662)
Well in us love wine
And good bread in oven for us to sit down,
And the woman who is given,
First, exhausted, we enjoy.

Saw Nikolai Stepanovich this book, "Fire post" was released after his execution.

will not happen to you in living
Since the snow does not stand up.
Twenty-eight bayonet,
Gunshot five.

Bitter obnovushku
Friend, I sewed.
Loves, loves krovushku
Russian land.


August 16, 1921 (car)

Akhmatova was never remembered for what style is dated - August 16 - autographed by these verses. But even if the style is "old", these poems have developed - at locomotive platform, where Akhmatova under materok from Red lights a "big, red, more like living sparks of the engine", - until a formal notification of the murder.

AlexanderG 02.02.2010 03:35

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Сообщение от Vivien (Сообщение 885)
They have no value - they are priceless :)

Sovershenno soglasen. Ia v dushe toze lirik i absoliutno priznaiu eto. No kogda my vyhodim na rynok, to daze stihi otsenivaiutsia v redaktsii postrochno.

Kak ia uze govoril, i ne ustanu povtoriat ', eti svoistva nado razdeliat'. Kak voda i neft 'oni ne smeshivaiutsia. I osnovnye problemy voznikaiut pri popytke ih smeshat!

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 884662)

As a boy, forgetting all their games,
Oversees sometimes a maiden bathing
And, knowing nothing about love
All the same tormented by a mysterious desire;

A eto prosto instinkty. Znat 'nichego ne nado, vsio uze zalozeno iznachal'no :D

Remi 02.02.2010 21:10

Let's talk a little about this part of the art market as buyers.
Given that Russia has practically no middle class, who buys a work of art? And where they live, those who buy?
By the way, about half of the millionaires from the list of Forbes' lives in Moscow, but they do not account for the bulk of the market.
How buyers are oriented in the modern art in that those who are 40 years or older were raised at the Sots. realism?

Peter 02.02.2010 22:32

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Сообщение от Remi (Сообщение 887482)
Let's talk a little about this part of the art market as buyers.
Given that Russia has practically no middle class, who buys a work of art? And where they live, those who buy?

By the way, about half of the millionaires from the list of Forbes' lives in Moscow, but they do not account for the bulk of the market.
How buyers are oriented in the modern art in that those who are 40 years or older were raised at the Sots. realism? [/I guess we first talk about the motivation pokupki.U different groups of consumers may differ. Painting like prdmet investment, design element, witness of the era, the specific emotional experience, a good gift (the head of state or mother-), the indicator status, to amuse his own ego (secretly own), etc. And it all together for art buyers market and let them appreciate it.

AlexanderG 03.02.2010 02:03

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Сообщение от Remi (Сообщение 887482)
Let's talk a little about this part of the art market as buyers.
Given that Russia has practically no middle class, who buys a work of art?

Chto vy ponimaete pod srednim klassom?


And where they live, those who buy?

Po poslednim dannym v Kitae, Rossii i Ukraine.

By the way, about half of the millionaires from the list of Forbes' lives in Moscow, but they do not account for the bulk of the market.

Imenno oni i sostavliaiut.

How buyers are oriented in the modern art in that those who are 40 years or older were raised at the Sots. realism?

Po dannym Sotheby's v mire vsego 20-30 serioznyh kollektsionerov.

Orientiruiutsia tak: smotriat, smeiutsia, ne veriat, chitaiut, razgovarivaiut, dumaiut, smotriat opiat ', pokupaiut :D

Remi 03.02.2010 19:19

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Сообщение от AlexanderG (Сообщение 888182)
Po dannym Sotheby's v mire vsego 20-30 serioznyh kollektsionerov.

By the way, about half of the millionaires from the list of Forbes' lives in Moscow, but they do not account for the bulk of the market.

Imenno oni i sostavliaiut.

Orientiruiutsia tak: smotriat, smeiutsia, ne veriat, chitaiut, razgovarivaiut, dumaiut, smotriat opiat ', pokupaiut :D

Millionaires probably account for the bulk of the market in the upper price segment. And if you take the prices up to 10.000 usd?

For example, this story - need painting as a gift, purchase amount not less than 1000 usd (less indecent). As a result, bought poster in heavy carved frame, in an expensive shop that sells one of those dishes, lamps and objects intrerera (made in China).

It is not a condescending or disrespectful attitude towards the customers, and that the purchaser must also have a certain cultural level, to become a party to the art market.

Situation: at the personal exhibition on display full-scale work and work in the style of impressionism.

Security guard (Oloka 35 years) when viewing the exhibition, said: "These (Natroun) drew an artist, and this is clearly an amateur.

I do not think it's funny, more sad.

Peter 03.02.2010 20:15

Maybe guard graduated from the Academy of Fine Arts, ... and so moonlight .:)


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