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Vladimir 21.01.2010 18:48

Well, it says all the most honest:

Цитата:

The picture of Vladimir Fedorovich Stozharov "Yaroslav's Court" (authorship presumably by signature), oil on canvas, 40x50 cm, 1965. The son finds this work a fake, but it is a subjective opinion, and therefore now be given to an independent examination.
This is a preliminary sketch or small version of a larger and later (1972) pictures VF Stozharov Novgorod. Yaroslav Court.
SergeiSK information is not concealed, on the contrary warns the potential buyer.

Costa 21.01.2010 18:57

Vladimir, the seller slukavil, because this forum said "I confess, this is my fake Stozharau" and showed it. Ie work is a counterfeit, that recognized including community. A sale of such things in such a way that is with the signature and approval, saying with the subjective opinion of the author's son, despite the fact that you yourself say "fake" it, and at least not correctly.
It is strange that all protect the seller, and no one expressed that the purpose of the forum, this is including the formation of relationships in the field of trafficking in art objects, and the protection of heritage and name of artists.

Pavel 21.01.2010 19:02

We must do something to share, copy, and forgery. Counterfeits are found in an attic in a pile of old rubbish. Counterfeits must be destroyed because it is the theft of a famous artist.
Copies are copies. Stozharau not such an artist, who copied or imitated, it is not so expensive and rather academic. It may be that this is a gift someone else, or a childish prank.

Costa 21.01.2010 19:06

Цитата:

Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 865672)
It is necessary to do a split-up and forgery. Counterfeits are found in an attic in a pile of old rubbish. Counterfeits must be destroyed because it is the theft of a famous artist.
Copies are copies. Stozharau not such an artist, who copied or imitated, it is not so expensive and rather academic. It may be that this is a gift someone else, or a childish prank.

Manufacturing, and may have been childish prank, until a signature is not struck, but the sale with full knowledge that the thing is not real good, then this thing go on like a bargain, but it is the author has nothing to do and defame his name.

Art-ort 21.01.2010 19:14

Costa, to continue the fight and quietly move on to the book "Mein Campha"

uriart 21.01.2010 19:15

How is our community (forum) is loyal to the sellers of fakes.
I think that it should by all available means to drive out to the market or other areas of sales.
I remember a fresh case with this "Alenka" when I'm on it all take my dogs, so its the same and some have tried to justify and defend.
Why? To forgeries continued to be in circulation?

Costa 21.01.2010 19:17

Цитата:

Сообщение от Art-ort (Сообщение 865712)
Costa, to continue the fight and quietly move on to the book "Mein Campha"

If as a result of this struggle will be clearer relationship, it is not in vain.

Pavel 21.01.2010 22:01

Цитата:

Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 865722)
How is our community (forum) is loyal to the sellers of fakes.
I believe that the need is all available means to expel from the market or other areas of sales.
I remember a fresh case with this "Alenka" when I'm on it all take my dogs, so its the same and some have tried to justify and defend.
Why? To forgeries continued to be in circulation?

I have in mind some of the relatives who had made and signed copy.

Tana 22.01.2010 00:53

Цитата:

Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 865652)
Well, it says all the most honest:

Artwork by Vladimir Fedorovich Stozharov "Yaroslav's Court" (authorship presumably by signature), oil on canvas, 40x50 cm, 1965. The son finds this work a fake, but it is a subjective opinion, and therefore now be given to an independent examination.
This is a preliminary sketch or small version of a larger and later (1972) pictures VF Stozharov Novgorod. Yaroslav Court.

SergeiSK information is not concealed, on the contrary warns potential buyer.

except that:
"This is a preliminary sketch or small version of a larger and later (1972) pictures VF Stozharov Novgorod. Yaroslav's Court " - too subjective opinion.

And in the protection seller can recall quite a famous phrase, "So Lohamei and necessary" (in the sense if caught are not very familiar with the buyer).

But let's be honest for ourselves, than to sell for a nominal fee, not better to throw away?
Why "pretend" play up?
Well, honestly, you have purchased it yourself (and suddenly still Stozharau be after examination? No, you do not buy it, so why all this talk?

Кирилл Сызранский 22.01.2010 01:06

Цитата:

Сообщение от Costa (Сообщение 865662)
on this forum said "I confess, this is my fake Stozharau"

Well, if you have already read everything about it, then I agree with Tana:
Цитата:

No, you do not buy it, so why all this talk?


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