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02.10.2009 15:24

Tsitiata It is interesting ...))) But why are there just clowns that were sitting there among the experts in Kiev? As it is hard to believe.

operator, where there are people who receive remuneration for such examination. And the responsibility - zero. Self-respecting expert would not Lama fund rules Archipenko. It was this fund, because Francis all very tightly holds in his hands. And, incidentally, we must pay tribute to her, very properly does. At the expense of clowns - well, yes, it is. Just laugh ... :)

02.10.2009 15:25

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Сообщение от qwerty (Сообщение 628596)
the price offered to you are valid only in the lifetime of casting Archipenko, in this case, the work must be accompanied by no expertise Ukrainian (or Russian) Museum, and a set of documents to prove their provenance from the casting.

Well if there are documents (certificate) which indicated the original format. Let's say "1 of 8 plus 4 (AR) plus" NS " - It original.Vse rest - a priori "gadgets" do not represent an investment value and nor expertise
   not help? "But anything can happen with paper. Therefore, the sculpture is placed at the very signature of the author, year of establishment, number of molds /total number of copies, stamp molding masterskoy.Vse these data and should be included in the analysis.

02.10.2009 15:35

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Сообщение от operator (Сообщение 628806)

Wait a second - specify AMP-ta and what it means unauthorized CASTING:
Code they were unauthorized to 64 years (chemical and physical examination confirms the 60-70 years bronze), Vol. F you want to say that he had not watched the who and in what quantities pours his sculptures in his own workshop, or the fact that in Brooklyn who then make casts from his originals and forged his work during his lifetime!?

unauthorized - I'm such a gentle manner called forgery. Massive fraud, cast Brooklyn Wine Library TV.
Even when life Archipenko produced souvenir ebb at the request of prestigious museums. But this was the agreement of the author, relevant documents and identification marks. Sculptural values in them was not. Sold as souvenirs.

All the remaining lifetime of the copy (ebb) were performed in strict compliance with all rules and have this relevant paper.

With Archipenko all much easier. And almost all recorded in the archives of the Fund.

02.10.2009 15:36

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Сообщение от Yaya (Сообщение 628766)
and 246 thousand dollars now, near Kiev can buy a lot of ares. And buy them now more profitable than this bronze

I agree. Do not read the document in full (font). I was sure that in such an evaluation is an indication of the documents on tirazhu.A so get-Filkin charter.

02.10.2009 15:45

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Сообщение от operator (Сообщение 628806)
(chemical and physical examination confirms the bronze 60-70 years), Vol. F you want to say that he had not watched the who and in what quantities pours his sculptures in his own workshop or something that someone in Brooklyn then make casts from his originals and forged his work during his lifetime!? (we do not consider gifts - modern replica of recent years)

Old bronze, using the oxidizing means. (If it is bronze in general. In most cases, the metal surface is covered with a bronze).



Sculptures are produced in modern times, using it for making molds souvenir copy, bought used for 75-100 dollars.

PS. If the sculpture in your hand, it looks like the basis of the sculpture from below? Glued matter (like velvet)?

operator 02.10.2009 15:55

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Сообщение от OlegTsi (Сообщение 628846)
Even when life Archipenko produced souvenir ebb at the request of prestigious museums. But this was the agreement of the author, relevant documents and identification marks. Sculptural values in them was not. Sold as souvenirs.

That is, in prestigious museums are "Souvenirs" without sculptural values "?! However, documented in the fund Archipenko? Class! You yourself believe in something that you wrote!?

And if the "souvenirs" documented in the fund over time, become a museum treasures at a price several hundred thousand dollars, a priori, all that was cast to 64, is valuable! Here I am and he himself answered my question: why such a range of prices! Everything in the archives - hundreds or even that there is Tens? I right - or Adjust AMP-ta! So who's there Francisca sells records and manipulates the prices of their ancestor and a half pieces of each! Robust design! It remains to find us here on the forum her benefactor to 3 thousand dollars. brighten up her old age and hope that these works real number in its archives!

Yaya 02.10.2009 16:00

OlegTsi, bronze is not so expensive and rare alloy that has his forge, selling sculpture for 150 thousand dollars I fully admit that there may be a real bronze

operator 02.10.2009 16:04

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Сообщение от OlegTsi (Сообщение 628866)
old bronze, using the oxidizing means. (If it is bronze in general. In most cases, the metal surface is covered with a bronze).


PS. If the sculpture in your hand, it looks like the basis of the sculpture from below? Glued matter (like velvet)?

But no - I have no sculptures - I homework "used to do but honestly!

And as for the bronze medal - well, there is a layer of patina - any chemist makes scraping and defines a layer of patina and age! Technically, it is not difficult! but the margin for error in this is another conversation - which by the way and I started with the question - who had the experience of cooperation with Ukrainian experts and art critics?

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Сообщение от Yaya (Сообщение 628906)
OlegTsi, bronze is not so expensive and rare alloy that has his forge, selling sculpture for 150 thousand dollars I fully admit that there may be a real bronze

Yeah, if bronze and forged then this "casting" will cost Pobol original! be the same so refined!

Wladzislaw 02.10.2009 16:44

operator,

What are you proving buy. Your money.

But any other person who has a 100 thousand U.S. dollars. and wishing to acquire the sculpture Archipenko, the road to Sotheby's, Christie's and the like, where there will be sculptures, documents, rather than metal and paper.

ранжер 02.10.2009 19:56

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 628966)
road to Sotheby's, Christie's, etc.

Why so much reverence for this office?


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