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privatis70 30.09.2009 21:51

. Presumably 16-17-18 vek.V Guimet refused to do ekspertizu.Net analogov.Poetomu wrote on the forum, maybe somebody seen such things in the living in Russia.

Amateur 01.10.2009 09:56

This - hardly a medieval reliquary. In the description of the bust of the ladies from a link written "façon reliquaire", ie "in the style reliquary. But this style was in vogue in the XIX century - in France at the end of its first half, and in Germany - a little later. Is the Middle Ages hallmark "84"? sergejnowo, probably right: the inscription "REINEKE DAM DRELLCHE CHOLLHED" (the last word, I think, should read "CHOLTKNED") means, apparently, the names or pseudonyms DIY manufacturers. And maybe some rare dialect type verhnebavarskogo. Also, I believe, and "MINDENK", though this seems to be in Hungarian means "everyone"?

Евгений 01.10.2009 10:04

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Сообщение от Amateur (Сообщение 627016)
Is in the Middle Ages hallmark "84"?

Alexander, the sample placed on the western silverware when crossing the border with Russia .. (19 beginning of 20 century).
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Сообщение от privatis70 (Сообщение 626576)
Supposedly 16-17-18 age

The fact that your reliquary belongs to this period, the probability bolshaya.Tsena depends on the time izgotovleniya.Postaraytes more accurately determine the time of manufacture ..

Amateur 01.10.2009 10:59

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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 627036)
sample placed on the western silverware when crossing the border with Russia .. (19 beginning of 20 century).

Eugene, surely at border customs posts (as some of them were ...) had their equipment to determine the purity of precious metals and staff who had the right to brand products, which originally were not on trial? Not know. Well, let's say. But in the Middle Ages there were no common standards for the content of ligatures. Even the coins of one denomination and one ruler varied considerably in purity. More or less clear standards appeared in the XVIII century (and then, by the way, reliquaries in medieval style was not in vogue). So anyway, it is unlikely that medieval reliquary would be made of silver, just 84-second sample, which in this case verified proof house customs.

NEO 01.10.2009 15:02

Good day! It is a beautiful thing!
It occurred to him - do not beat strongly :-))) not the Pope whether it?

Allena 01.10.2009 15:49

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Сообщение от NEO (Сообщение 627416)
and not whether the Pope is?

If you're referring to the Pope, no, not him.

Евгений 01.10.2009 15:50

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Сообщение от Amateur (Сообщение 627146)
had the right to brand products, which originally were not on trial?

Alexander, in my practice often met European products (17-19 age), which stood (in addition to European stamps), stamp for imported goods through the St. Petersburg (the 1870-1900gg).
If a shop selling silver and gold products (after the revolution) falling objects without stigma, or with European brands, then up to the 1927 set hallmarks of pre-revolutionary period (1908-1917).
Absentia this silverware is difficult to say something to the period, must be kept in their hands.

NEO 01.10.2009 16:19

Well, not mine - that's for sure :-)))
Clothes still brings on the Catholic priest

NEO 07.10.2009 19:51

However, received confirming the preliminary response from Rome - yes, a hat and part of the dress is either the Catholics or to the Anglican Church. Maybe something else will answer

Вивьен 07.10.2009 23:18

This is likely the bishop, as head of his Catholic miter.
In accordance with the law of the Latin Church, miter can only be bishops or priests, prelates, having genuine jurisdiction (Latin vera iurisdictio). According to the Apostolic Letter «Pontificalia insignia» Paul VI, the right to wear a miter use the following prelates who do not have the episcopal dignity: the Roman Pontiff legates, abbots and prelates, who have jurisdiction over the territory, separated from any diocese was, apostolic administrators, apostolic prefects and the apostolic vicar. Previously, the right to wear a miter and use of other signs of the episcopal dignity (pontifikaly) could be associated with the title, not involving jurisdiction, or give as a special privilege.


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