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Вивьен 03.10.2009 00:33

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We have opened the book with black and white illustrations of "Masters of art about art" selected excerpts from letters, diaries, speeches and treatises, Moscow-Leningrad, 1939 It also published a letter from Van Gogh. So, in her portrait of Dr. Gachet number 2.

eva777 03.10.2009 13:50

"Are currently working on his portrait: his head in a white cap, very bright and very bright hair, hands, too blond, blue jacket and cobalt background. He sat leaning against the red table, where is the yellow book and a sprig of purple foxglove flowers. Thing is to make with the same mood as my self-portrait that I took with him when he left here. Mr. Gachet in a crazy excited about this portrait, and demands that I, if I may, wrote to him exactly the same as me, and most want to done. Now he was finally assessed and the last portrait "Arlezianki" - you have a pink version of this picture. Whenever Gachet watching my studies, he returned to these two portraits and unrestrained admiration for them. " excerpt from a letter, I was beginning to bow down to the fact that perhaps I was mistaken, but then read as described in detail paints a portrait, again returned to their opinion. Perhaps a portrait of Dr. written by Van Gogh, but then he rewrote or finish, or I was completely confused: confused: Do not be me VanGogovedom: D
And yet, first I like, here's nothing I can do.

Jasmin 03.10.2009 14:31

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Сообщение от eva777 (Сообщение 629786)
Mr. Gachet in a crazy excited about this portrait, and demands that I, if possible, wrote to him exactly the same as me and most want to do.

Here, he wrote him another such portrait, jerry ... Yellow over, and everything was in a sad blue-blue ...:)

Seriy 03.10.2009 15:55

I give my opinion as it draws people.
Call portraits of yellow and brown.
The yellow buttons are, and they were a little crooked pririsoval, especially the top, T e is likely not from nature. And they were added due to the fact that against the author let the green lines. Green buttons of the same color created a game - lines, circles. Also, fill in these buttons in Photoshop and see that the background will come out, it must be something to balance large in the foreground. Balance the buttons.
If the buttons were on the portrait, which was written originally, copyist would certainly have their pririsoval-case quite simple enough.
Same with digitalis. Dark blue foxglove barely visible on a blue background, so was the idea of two-color - pink and blue. Bichromatic naperstyanok not happen. There are gradations of color, but not from pink to blue.
A hand holding up the person on a brown painted a portrait of better quality and realistic. Cap on a brown portrait, too, is better on the yellow, it just does not fly down from the head. Eyes on the brown-realistic in red at this age, they are burnt, they are on the yellow portrait of a dark-blue-red with these do not happen.
Thus, all indications are that the first portrait was painted brown. The author then saw all their shortcomings - his hair does not burn, foxglove merged, background does not give perspective. He has written a new picture, where everything is taken into account. Probably already written to the first portrait.
Coloristic you to receive calls. For the sake of coloristic glare he recorded the red table, so there was no plane in red.

The second portrait was painted early first-bright.

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tested this theory very easily, should call the Department of Health and to ask in a particular year, in the form of a doctor in an overcoat buttons were out and what color?

Pavel 03.10.2009 18:27

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Сообщение от eva777 (Сообщение 628586)
netserg, In my opinion you are right! But fear now is that they both now causes me to doubt, because, in fact, and in another pile of any inaccuracies, for which Van Gogh, by definition, was not able to!:)
And now with this order them to do ?!:);)

Van Gogh often did repeats his paintings, especially when bestowed, because that felt a responsibility to his brother. This is in his letters. The first portrait he gave the doctor it seems, while the second could easily be done. Or vice versa. For fakes too deliberately-known work. The paint eventually dries up and utonshaetsya and he sometimes tried to "try".

K-Maler 04.10.2009 01:33

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Сообщение от eva777 (Сообщение 628586)
And now with this order them to do?!

Look again. First: Red cloth supported by the top red hair (this is not the second), from Van Gogh's correspondence shows that he was thinking when I started writing about all those things the professional features that famous artists and are required for use. Equilibrium color for example. Van Gogh wrote many flowers and wrote them carefully, for it is the first, the second no, they're smeared rude. In the second facial expression, no, muddy color, with such a blue at the Van Gogh always pure color, as seen in the first picture. And the main thing in the portrait, facial expression, it is attractive in the first case, it is evident that the artist looked at him and knew this man ... And the second he somehow unsympathetic frowns ...

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Сообщение от eva777 (Сообщение 629786)
is now regularly taken part over his portrait: his head in a white cap, very bright and very bright hair, hands, too blond, blue jacket and cobalt background.

In my edition of the Prague - the first option, 66h77, 1890.

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In my edition of the Prague - the first option, 66h77, 1890.

And in the "Correspondence" - vtoroy.Tozhe with good print looks good. First - in New York, the second in Paris. In most correspondence does not mention that he made the second, ie in that part of the correspondence, which he describes acquaintance with the doctor, and this is his last day, a few months, when he wrote in detail about working on what.

Jasmin 04.10.2009 13:06

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 630696)
Well, the main thing in the portrait, facial expression, it is attractive in the first case, it is evident that the artist looked at him and knew this man ... And the second he somehow unsympathetic frowns ...

The first (yellow) - face a tired man, on the second - the sad ... In both portraits, expressive face, if the "unsympathetic wincing" - is even more valuable, because more expressive ... Perhaps, after all, both the original portrait.

Seriy 04.10.2009 13:14

I have not read (correspondence), but I say ...
If Van Gogh wrote a work for 2 hours, how could he describe his brother ALL DETAILS working on what? It is physically impossible, write a detailed letter is an hour of work. Et he must sit all day and write a letter describing ...

Pavel 04.10.2009 18:16

He could one day make sketches 10. He wrote letters and drawings made and painted in the letters. His letters are very interesting. Read necessarily.

eva777 05.10.2009 11:34

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 630016)
Van Gogh often did repeats his paintings, especially when bestowed, because that felt a responsibility to his brother. This is in his letters. The first portrait he gave the doctor it seems, while the second could easily be done. Or vice versa. For fakes too deliberately-known work. The paint eventually dries up and utonshaetsya and he sometimes tried to "try".

That is just the point that the forged-known works, and the chemistry does not help, because they falsified almost immediately after his death and people who know what and how he wrote. So the question remains open to this day, some real, and what is not: confused:

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The second portrait was painted early first-bright.

ie think this second?


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