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JM-G 16.07.2008 11:55

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 23046)
I do not think that these artists podygryvyut calling consumerism (in Russia it is very accurately called "potreblyatsvom"). Rather, it's just reproach, banter over the prestigious consumption over the new "flavors". Once the buyer is aimed at luxury - to you the golden notebook with keyboards made of ivory and diamond cherer of platinum. Is not it? Besides platinum Vertu phone in this sense, in my opinion much more vulnerable (in terms of vulgarity) than art yuvelirka.

I think we must distinguish between the original conception of the artist and translating it into reality. who buys a diamond keyboard and skulls? Those who and phones vertu. that artists are selling works - it is art-terrorism (banter of rich buyers)? or such a thing being sold to billionaire, drops to the level of the phone vertu? What used to determine gold and diamond art works: the fact that the artist wants to say about these products or that they make (no banter and not terrorism, but the usual luxury items)?

Vladimir 16.07.2008 12:14

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Сообщение от JM-G (Сообщение 23076)
what to be guided in evaluating gold and diamond art works: the fact that the artist wants to say about these products or that they make (no banter and not terrorism, but the ordinary objects of luxury )?

No art-terrorism and critical look, the look of the artist at his age. View modern, which becomes a monument to the era (like Warhol's Campbell soup, as 99 cents Prince). The rest depends on the education of collectors: how to perceive, as to present the guests and what to talk about it ...

fross 16.07.2008 12:28

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Сообщение от JM-G (Сообщение 23076)
(no banter and not terrorism, but ordinary objects of luxury)?

I think such sites and are not created as works of art but rather as a boundary between art and fashion industry.

Vladimir 16.07.2008 13:03

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Сообщение от fross (Сообщение 23116)
I think these objects and are not created as works of art but rather as a boundary between art and fashion industry.

Right. And another important junction with the design. In the same "boundary condition" and is the spirit of the times - glamor, postmodernism, new technologies ...

JM-G 16.07.2008 13:06

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 23106)
Not art-terrorism and critical look, the look of the artist at his age.

hmm ... I doubt that it is "critical" look. criticism as something people need to communicate. rather than for the average person is different diamond keyboard, made by some famous artist from the golden bathroom? nothing. To understand this, one must examine the concept of artists, who often seem (and perhaps still are) sucked from the finger. criticism, I think, not very "udavshayasya.

LCR 16.07.2008 13:13

Here is a slightly abridged translation of an article from the newspaper "Le Figaro" (it was published in the "culture", but it might well appear in the section "Shopping" female prilodzheniya "Madame Figaro"), which confirms what we said Frosia :


Contemporary artists, to Mark!

From bags, created by Richard Price for Vyuittona to foulard Hermes, inspired by Joseph Albers, the arts have become the new Eldorado of luxury. Danger Is this for art?

"Mr. Price? Oh, I love ... your bags! "This compliment laugh Richard Price, an artist, lauded in the exhibition" Spiritual America "at the Guggenheim Museum in New York. A beautiful lady, who congratulated him on being naive in the lobby Sixty Thompson knew the artist only through his work with the house of Louis Vyuitton creates a series of handbags, which depicted his famous "humorous pictures» (Joke Paintings). But the artist, who uses American culture references out of context (series "Cowboys", "Nanny" and "Rastas", which should appear shortly) does not bother it's a misunderstanding, he himself - an amateur to use this kind of misunderstanding.

Price shows his works at the Serpentine Gallery in London.
Where does art? In view of the artist, who has decided to show the audience their archives, their collections, their delusions, their formal universe? This bibliophile, buying books Neal Cassady, Jack adherent Leruaka, he collected all the editions of "Etementarnyh particles" Uelbeka. So the exhibition cheap American books, which inspired a series of his seductive and threatening nurses, side by side with the monogram of Louis Vyuittona, sponsor of the exhibition, which foresaw the impact of modern art in consumer society.

Where does art? Where to begin its transformation into a luxury item? In the office resourceful Marc Jacobs, art director of the firm of Louis Vyuitton. Seeing the Murakami exhibit at Cartier Foundation, he decided to invite him to create on the basis of Mangi spring-summer 2003 the Paris office of Jacobs - a laboratory, in which concentrated present and future. Near the pads with embroidered patterns flowers lay-Price toys Murakami and wallpaper "Pharmacy", by Daniel Hurst, which were sold at Sotheby's in 2004, its weight in gold. It has all the celebrities of contemporary art.

The first two floors of luxury shops Vyuitton sold handbags with Price. On the third floor, in the "museum", these same bags vystaleny as works of art. Long live the cloudless cooperation of industry and art:)

Vladimir 16.07.2008 13:29

contemporary art against the present "....
 
JM-G, Here is today Gelman in his diary read (galerist.livejournal.com). Please do not perceive as a stone in the garden, but just amusing observation.

Gelman wrote:

11:10 pm
  is this type of people who do not just do not like modern art in general, they are sure that it is in principle, can not please anyone. I have them like asking "Tell me honestly, and any pictures in your home, do not be so that the same artists that the gallery. One wants to live among the present art." They often come up with "rational explanation" why a completely sane person "pretending that he did like it."
Ilya Kabakov said today an interesting story from the seventies. Some foreign collectors, an important functionary of the museum, decided to buy his work. For this purpose, according to the rules of the time he wrote to the appropriate department MOSKh and put photos of work. Ilya immediately summoned to a meeting where the boss of the International Department of the speech is: "What do you think, why he is buying your work"
- Well, maybe she liked him, - responsible Ilya.
- Ha-ha. does not. He buys it for toast. He now you have to buy it, hanged at his home in Holland, invited guests for dinner and during the change of dishes will say, pointing to yours, so to speak, now, "Look friends, what do ãàâíî in the Soviet Union, and how well that We live in Holland, but not there. "Let's drink to it"

JM-G 16.07.2008 13:52

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 23186)
JM-G, Here is today Gelman in his diary read (galerist.livejournal.com). Please do not perceive as a stone in the garden, but just amusing observation.

No, I love many of works by contemporary artists, but not all.

LCR 16.07.2008 14:43

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Сообщение от Vladimir (Сообщение 23186)
JM-G,
  is this type of people who do not just do not like modern art in general, they are sure that it is in principle, can not please anyone.


I am absolutely convinced that there are people who really like modern art, or better say, a certain component of modern art. Very often these people are completely indifferent to all prior art and the other component of contemporary art, and this, in general, it is not surprising, since the criteria are too different.

I think that I have said before that I think that in relation to interest us now part of modern art aesthetic categories are not applicable. To cite one example: in the case of the artist, making his drawing of sperm, it is important to the intention and that intention is outside of these categories, otherwise why not take advantage of diluted sepia (Of course, you can tell me that they feel an urge to urgently establish that any such things, grandiose, over sepia must still run in the specialty shop, and semen, pardon the expression, is always at hand, which I will answer you that this is sexism and self-interest - to be signed in the position of others, and not only think about themselves, so more recently has been the subject of female artists!) - the result would be identical? It is important to intention.

In the intention that there is nothing shameful or disgraceful, the symbolism of these artists are more straightforward and primitive, but easily uhvatyvaema is a reflection of the outside world, the situation of a person, it would bring to the absurd vices of society ...
I have a temptation to call this phenomenon Peredvizhnichestvo our time - the characteristic that a formal beginning of the modern artists of this type of show as little interest as the Wanderers in their time. Strictly speaking, the public and they have one - is sensitive to social initiation and absolutely indifferent to everything else.

qwerty 16.07.2008 15:17

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 23216)
in relation to interest us now part of modern art aesthetic categories are not applicable.

Dear LCR, it is just an aphorism final discussion about the value of much of modern art!


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