Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

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-   -   Russian or western? (https://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=25156)

qwerty 18.04.2009 15:44

I think for the money it is quite possible to find something from the charts 70-90-ies of the last century, such as theatrical works Messerer, very decorative and decent quality, I think that once they reach the level of prices or theatrical works Tischler Dobuzhinsky, and now for 1000 euro you can buy a pair, still remain and obmyvku purchase.:)

bend 18.04.2009 16:50

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 328336)
Russian? Problematic ... : D: D: D

Answers piqued my subconscious. I understand what it is afraid.

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1. Everyone knows that in Europe Porshe is cheaper than a Lada in Russia. A carved furniture in Thailand - cheaper furniture in Elektrogorsk. So I thought - "Why Russian in Europe are cheaper than in Russia?" and "Why is Russia in Europe in general, no?"
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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 328406)
In the European-Russian artist gallery ..

Is not it - a consequence of the momentary situation last five years? For the past five years, all were crazy. In particular, Monet's something I've already bought.
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Сообщение от vyadem (Сообщение 328376)
not likely you will find a Cezanne or Monet ... a sane price ...

Moreover, it is in Paris.
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Сообщение от Eugene (Сообщение 328446)
best from Paris, the more there is a person lives (LCR) ... always happy to advise, let you know ..

I paid a cheap, by the way: only 8 Euro. Oil on canvas, all things ... Monet ... 30x40 cm among other things. Zoom Mona Lisa!
: p

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2. I have three children. I - an ordinary soldier Specialist (with a capital income, it is true), ie I - no not a collector and never will be. I have a hole in the wall nothing to hide. But for 8 euros Monet did not fit me. Although I bought it. I do not consider painting as a tax haven, the material for speculation and so forth. business. Just do not want to spend money in vain. I want to buy now at least three (3) pictures that do not perish for ever. Ie - Not Monet, but really lived the artist. To my children, too, to cover their holes did not hesitate to shop with modern certificates even expensive, but unreal.
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Сообщение от antip (Сообщение 328426)
So far never seen a picture existed but an artist.

So. There is a feeling that if I now spend 1,000 euros in Antwerp or elsewhere - that after 20 years it will cost at least 5,000 euros. At the same time, there is a suspicion that if I now spend 10,000 euros in Moscow - in 20 years it will be all the same 5,000 euros.
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Сообщение от vyadem (Сообщение 328376)
we have - yes, ... 95 percent of our collectors collect Russian paintings .. thereby heating demand and price

Any idea? Or neotpiarennaya, but a real rarity painting can only be detrimental?

vyadem 18.04.2009 17:07

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328656)
Or neotpiarennaya, but a real rarity painting can only be detrimental?

then stick with two ends ... for example, you buy a little-known artist from the same "Ecole de Paris" ... painting is good and you like it ... and then 2 options: someone else, a heavier player in the art - market also invest in it and begin to untwist, then your only children will thank you for a good investment. Version 2 - the artist will remain obscure with a good painting.
It is as you rightly call "PR", etc.

Кирилл Сызранский 18.04.2009 17:10

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Сообщение от vyadem (Сообщение 328736)
Version 2 - the artist will remain obscure with a good painting.

And then 3 possible option. Another purchase of this artist and his own "spin" ... : D

vyadem 18.04.2009 17:11

Cyril Syzransky, also a good way:)
but as I understand the budget "banquet" 1000 euro ..

Кирилл Сызранский 18.04.2009 17:14

vyadem, it is now.
But "the appetite comes with eating ...

bend 18.04.2009 17:16

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 328756)
And then option 3 is possible. Another purchase of this artist and his own "spin" ... : D

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Сообщение от vyadem (Сообщение 328776)
Cyril Syzransky, also a good way:)
but as I understand the budget "banquet" 1000 euros ..

budget "banquet" can be striking. : eek: but I am not party to the art market. I pofik. Not only that - I do intend to die. Like everything, though

vyadem 18.04.2009 17:20

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328836)
budget "banquet" can be astounding.

In this case, really advise to add at least one "0" and buy it now at crisis prices stoyuschuyu a good thing ... just with a budget of 1000 euros and the request line of 19-20 centuries, little is good ... or we need to find a very good search.

bend 18.04.2009 17:24

Well, I'll add. Right now adjusting the first message. The question of whether Russian or Western - remained unanswered.

Кирилл Сызранский 18.04.2009 17:25

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328836)
Not only that - I do intend to die. Like everything, though

Agree. But you think about the children.
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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328656)
I have three children

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328656)
To my children, too, to cover their holes did not hesitate to modern shopping certificates

And in the future, at least for 20 years, but reading the logs.
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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328656)
in 20 years it will cost

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Сообщение от bend (Сообщение 328656)
20 years later it will be all the same



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