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alexvadim 07.08.2011 16:29

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 1734763)
In a normal society , in a society with legal protection of its citizens, with the presence of such a society free of owners of means of production , with a strong democracy , with the real self , with all rights and freedoms human ; legitimacy of all branches of power etc, etc, etc, I think not.
But here we have so many "parallel lives" , which can be confusing . :D>

Everyone , perhaps , a Russian living simultaneously in three or four "parallel lives" . :rolleyes:>

Yes, it can be confusing - but the majority of citizens satisfied with corruption is a way of life .
As to the museums - they are as it were, the church was replaced in the old days , that's special treatment of employees .
However, recently , the KGB considered the most non-corrupt part of society ))

lost manuscript of his memoirs , in three parts
Judging from the letters , the reader would be reading
selection of materials for the exhibition Grigorieva
http://www.mishanita.ru/2011/07/16/11120/

Кирилл Сызранский 07.08.2011 16:58

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Сообщение от alexvadim; 1734821"
but the majority of citizens satisfied with corruption is a way of life .

Yes, " bolshiestvo citizens" and does not understand what this "corruption" .
Just people continue to walk in public places and there " agree " and then as budnechno discuss everyday issues - " Dap give him? ".
Live even though a quarter-century -
All will be well . Exodus no .
( c) :D>

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Сообщение от khmelev (Сообщение 1734813)
having a full and does not require sophisticated efforts of the crime.

There's no prezhdnego owner-seller, who like and got the money for the picture.
In the presence of some mediators.

khmelev 07.08.2011 17:41

I think that in this chain and there is no " owner."
There are a customer, discussing with an experienced manufacturer - often a good restorer - a subject more profitable to produce for resale . I do not think that the immediate , "the author " gets a lot of money.
And then formed a chain - the more sincere in her youth " in search of ten" , the less likely that you can go through the chain to the end. And who will do it?
In this case, there is a unique situation. Cloned museum piece .
The museum and the state should be interested to unravel the tangle to the end, every possible effort .
And if Basner law, and in timing the old fake, and this is a real wonderful Grigoriev , the situation becomes even more interesting.

Тихая Сапа 07.08.2011 18:07

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Сообщение от khmelev; 1734943"
And if Basner law, and in timing the old fake, and this is a real wonderful Grigoriev , the situation becomes even more interesting.

Walk to the library, look Burtseva "My journal for the few ." Where fake immediately becomes clear. (journalists lead to xero burtsevskoy publiikatsii . Follow the link will , if not the leisure to go to the library )

khmelev 07.08.2011 18:25

Thank you.
Be sure to follow your advice.

Incidentally, the timing, before making his negative opinion was thinking two months.
You may want to offer them the services of express attribution :)>

Кирилл Сызранский 07.08.2011 18:38

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Сообщение от khmelev; 1734943"
I think that in this chain and there is no " owner ".

Yes, this is something all clear " in the morning ."
But the factual and legal "owner" is like , it is waving all participants negotsii , this " chain" .
That will be held as " unidentified person " got " in an undisclosed location " from " persons unknown " , " an unspecified amount of money ?"
If there is one victim?
I do not know , I do not know ...
Those participants who can demonstrate to the Chief " of the owner -seller ," and it seems , Ms. Basner , and perhaps someone else in the article, unnamed , will naturally be silent as guerrillas, knowing that his testimony just put yourself .. . There will be an intermediary who took an extreme money from the buyer , who is also , apparently, and wrote the paper some, still 250 tons of dollars.
No, I do not believe in the prospect of bringing cases to court , not -a ... :rolleyes:>

khmelev 07.08.2011 19:03

Well, thank God. I am sure that Mrs. Basner just so wanted to complete his professional career. And so the joy is currently experiencing a top-management Bukowski auction house Clint and persistent Russian department of the company.
However , why not admit that the investigation and will not seek some kind of mysterious men in gray, which MB and not in the nature ?
MB Ms. Basner is just that , when he was member of SRM, has accumulated a mass of material , which was used, as they say, for criminal purposes ?

Тютчев 07.08.2011 19:07

Whatever it was , but it 's already pretty tarnished reputation Elena Basner after the event finally " go to the bottom ." This is a logical conclusion to the auction house expert Bukowski, who "glory" that shit on it can not be translated (in Russian art, at least). What expert , and this auction! Here, for example , the old theme of Basner .

Кирилл Сызранский 07.08.2011 22:48

alexvadim has sent the film in St. Petersburg's theme of antique things:

Тихая Сапа 09.09.2011 21:38

In Basner , I heard a new scheme of defense. " The picture I put the blame , not the one that showed me earlier." An experienced stroke .


Topic prituhla Basner , a topic with Pribytkova prituhla , like other scandals. Plaintiff recovered a sum of money and everything comes down on the brakes. Not that I would have a thirst for blood , you understand correctly , but in sight of artists never get fakes. Ie Express Yourself what you want, at the very peak form to answer the dealer ... do not you ... Maybe it's time to get re ?


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