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artcol 14.04.2013 22:12

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2556181)
A qwerty, you consider cheating?

I think it just had a different picture of the world.

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Сообщение от Marusya (Сообщение 2556191)
in the sense that the former avant suddenly began to write pastoral landscapes and still lifes ?
The Soviets "academics " suddenly learned something else ?

Sorry, do not get it what you ...

I clearly distinguish between the Soviet and Russian academics .

artcol 14.04.2013 22:24

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Сообщение от Marusya (Сообщение 2556241)
Well, since much you were pleased to take part in my discussions about "realistic painting of the Soviet period," I hope to share the criteria of division academics

Who received the title in the USSR - the Soviet.
Who's zurabovskoy Academy - the Russian one.

Маруся 14.04.2013 22:45

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2556261)
Who got the title in the USSR - the Soviet.
Who's zurabovskoy Academy - the Russian one.


And what of those who till the USSR?

DSF 14.04.2013 22:52

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Сообщение от Fantozzi (Сообщение 2555741)
... Red - the color of calico - no longer on the banners, but everywhere is - or clothing, or a mouthpiece, and the rest in gray - gray ...

You notice it right, Fantozzi. But if you know the source? Where, so to speak, "ears grow" from "severe style"?
Its "founder" is none other than an honorary member of the Academy of Arts of the USSR, Comrade. R.Guttuzo that "in complete informational isolation" rode on the brain "is completely izolirovannh" Soviet artists, so much so thoroughly that not only in Moscow and St. Petersburg, but also in every district town had its own little "Guttuzenok" and reproductions Guttuso lay on all creative cottages on the most prominent places. Thus are born the "Styles" :)>
(Examples of works Guttuso not spread, anyone can verify this yourself).

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Сообщение от Maroussia, 2555401
I do not consider realistic painting of the Soviet period - social realism - the style or trend in art.

I agree with Marusia.
The so-called socialist realism - is called the farm products of the USSR Union, produced by order of the cooperative under the name of the CPSU. And, like any mass production, it is faceless (as noted exactly Mann) and deadly monotonous. Then it was the same thing, what does now "otbeysboleny" Artoyla retired, with his "Negro", but the scale of it is clearly smaller.
You will not really invest in the products sold in the CHA? Even if the Chinese buy it? :)>
With it, you can do only what is done Samvel: buy nothing, to immediately sell a little more expensive. But investment is not relevant.
Therefore, investing in a kind of abstract "Soviet Art" - a dead thing. Need to invest in specific talented authors, buyout, of course, were, as in this "cooperative" and beyond. And it will be known in due course: Russian Art of the twentieth century. Without it - "social" or "non".

artcol 14.04.2013 23:16

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Сообщение от DSF (Сообщение 2556311)
Need to invest in specific talented authors , buyout , of course , were, as in this " cooperative " and beyond.

Agree with this , and with this
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Сообщение от DSF (Сообщение 2556311)
And it will be known in due course: Russian Art of the twentieth century. Without it - " social " or "non ".

no.

About Guttuso and surstilya - it hvatnuli you , of course.

DSF 15.04.2013 00:04

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2556421)
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no .

Yes. :)> Go to the Hermitage and at least try to find the names of rooms , then something like the word " realism ... ", "... style," and the like.
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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2556421)
About Guttuso and surstilya - hvatnuli is you , of course .

I do not hvatanul , I witness this , found yet. On this " horse " rode right up to the 80th year. A nekotrye have not climbed .

Кирилл Сызранский 15.04.2013 02:10

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Сообщение от DSF; 2556311"
His " founder " is none other than an honorary member of the Academy of Arts of the USSR, Comrade . R.Guttuzo that " in complete informational isolation " rode on the brain "is completely izolirovannh " Soviet artists , so much so thoroughly that not only in Moscow and St. Petersburg, but also in every district town had its own little " Guttuzenok " and reproductions Guttuso lay on all creative cottages on the most prominent places .

And remember the famous picture of Viktor Ivanov, " Cafe Greco - artists Korzhev G. , P. Ossowski, E. Zverkov , D. Žilina , Ivanov " from the Tretyakov Gallery , first shown at the All-Union Art Exhibition "Glory labor " in Moscow in 1976?
I do it when I see , I remember , " Cafe Greco" Guttuso, although I know two versions of his paintings.
But for Victor Ivanov also have the author's version of his café, his way, on Sovkome sold in 2006 for 39,000 USD.
But Viktor is also made ​​in the engraving option.
But his "Cafe Greco" is and at Tair Salakhov.
 
Homage to the teacher. :)>

Fantozzi 15.04.2013 08:19

1. Relatively Guttuso - this is normal . He was an Italian communist ( then there was a party ), and no wonder that his art was common in the Soviet Union. We all then went to the Hungarian bus, smoked Cuban cigarettes, etc. By the way, in the Pushkin Museum on the third floor of his large room with Armand , just below ekspressionisty.2 . If you remove from your monologue sample terms in August 1991 , then I'm about the same. Period - interesting , do not, can and should invest (in name and quality). Actually the debate began with the fact that this period was not available in Antique Salon . So where's the dog fumbled ? Criticism for the sake of criticism? ? Ata them ho ! !

Fed 15.04.2013 08:38

At the same time remember UNOVIS.
About which just can not be said that this is not the direction.

Some participants, cost millions, others thousand 20.

But, nevertheless, UNOVIS UNOVISS ........

A socialist realism, even after 100 years, of course, not the same.
Whole.

Fantozzi 15.04.2013 08:53

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