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Pavel 06.12.2012 18:02

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Сообщение от Sergey Melnikov (Сообщение 2374411)
To " Socialist Realism " is not seen as something dirty , placing little thing from my collection (currently n /x ).

Socialist realism is so vast and vseobemlyuschee phenomenon that does not require protection or excuse. It is even an international phenomenon and the first can be considered by Gustave Courbet, and then Meunier and Millet, Van Gogh , etc. Soviet artists have made a huge contribution to the art world and created his own unique style . Even at Sotheby Prices sing about it.
As for sales and plate prices, it may not mean anything , except that the COP and the secret. Otttuda he knows better. The fact that the Soviet artists sell separate list , of course , brought separately , but the local directories are there in one list under the slogan ( konterporari no. ) Allocation to the list means a special natsenennost to ODA. buyers Vtyuhivanie .

Кирилл Сызранский 06.12.2012 19:19

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Сообщение от Pavel; 2374801"
Soviet artists have made a huge contribution to the art world and created his own unique style .

Fun read, of course, but for me, alas, is not new. :)>
Socialist realism made ​​the audience believe in the then invented a story about his own life (art films " Kuban Cossacks" in starving postwar SSSRe ) The present-day and his followers believe in the fairy tale about life then .
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Сообщение от Pavel; 2374801"
The fact that the Soviet artists sell separate list , of course , brought separately

" Soviet artists " do not sell " in a list " them on a separate list is not reached . :D>

Сергей Мельников 06.12.2012 19:28

removal of the body
 
I think he will soon take place.
That's why could never be a doctor.

Pavel 07.12.2012 10:58

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2374831)
A fun read, of course, but for me, alas, is not new. :)>
Socialist realism made ​​the audience believe in the then invented a story about his own life (art films " Kuban Cossacks" in starving postwar SSSRe ) The present-day and his followers believe in the fairy tale about life then .

" Soviet artists " do not sell " in a list " them on a separate list is not reached . :D>

Wed still exists , but it is not what you want. What you want , corny and not original. In this we can now see in the Tretyakov Gallery , which now has its own mess.
Your spisochke prices look carefully. Alignment would be normal if the pictures were sold in Russia in the same auction. But this is not, and there is a high demand .

Кирилл Сызранский 07.12.2012 14:19

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Сообщение от Pavel; 2375241"
In your spisochke prices look carefully.

In my spisochke no social realism, maybe with the exception of Yablonsky and Nalbandian.

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But this is not, and there is a high demand .

Neither in Russia , nor, of course , in the West there is no demand for Socialist Realism.
But you would not know excusable - you are far from the art market , although the artist.

Сергей Мельников 07.12.2012 22:51

Sotheby's
 
To repeat (although it is often useless) : it is, even if you do not know. Sotheby's auction in Moscow in 1988 (originally supposed to take place , of course, in Samara. Can you guess why?)
But held in Moscow! Marketing course ( reconnaissance or benchmarking ), while on the sidelines saying that socialist realist at Sotheby's will be never. Time passed , it turned out that the brilliant Lenya Purygin from Nara drank more than worked. Work no more. A business can not stand ! Tried a socialist realist . The result is! Portrait Yablonska - 18000 $, a very good result. But Tselkov not sold - it is disturbing.
 In Portugal, the old men look out of their apartments to passers-by - this is their life and world view. Money , alas, it does not add.
http://artmers.com/ru/Russian_Art_Tr...ions_Hist.html

Кирилл Сызранский 07.12.2012 23:42

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Сообщение от Sergey Melnikov, 2376451"
Portrait Yablonska - $ 18,000, a very good result. But Tselkov not sold - it is disturbing.

Tselkova not sold at Sotheby's, but at the Christie's sold.
For 203 855 USD. :)>

Now, about
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Сообщение от Sergey Melnikov, 2376451"
brilliant Lenya Purygin from Nara

One of the principal, in my opinion, the performance of successful investments are secondary sale by auction.
Just bought it - it's not an indicator.
But when things bought 3-4 years ago are beginning to trade on the same, for example, auction sites, but at a higher price (speculating), it's just shows the interest of the market to the author, but in this case - to the subject direction.
Statistics of repeat sales or sixties nonconformist Russian artists abroad there, all you can see, the same Lenya Purygin.
But there is no repeat sales of social realism and, alas, no longer.
Here is why.
When they began to buy socialist realism, he found insufficient knowledge of this period, for many dealers has created the illusion of getting rich quick in the future, it is possible to buy almost nothing from the heirs and living things the authors of the period, that is, b. proposals in that segment of the market was very much, and at dealers, investors will get a chance to buy items at a price well below market value.
In Moscow, there were a few large buyers of social realism, but there was also the hope that they will be even more social realism, seemed nachili collect.
Dealers began eagerly, greedily buying up all the social realism and, of course, prices crept up.
But here is one of the major buyers of Mr. Nekrasov happened some trouble and where now Mr. Nekrasov, where it stores "Arbat Prestige" with socialist realism in the halls of cosmetics and fragrances?
And here soon and Mr. Ananiev opened a museum and also stopped actively buy creating a specific array of products.
Dealers quickly felt stagnation, lack of demand and have become hard to drop the goods, and there is already awake and active in the sales rooms Shishkin and Sovkoma and there was still more offers social realism in the market, there could be other dealers just panicked and to date all trade in the socialist realism limited to rare transactions among dealers who still have some collectors in customers.

Fashion for social realism quickly passed, the enthusiasm of potential prospects little-studied period, and investors quickly extinguished, a large Number of proposals and the low prices they even began threatening, and the crisis in 2008 completed the picture besperespektivnosti investment in social realism and even a mistake in choosing this segment: we do not saw no big exhibitions of social realism of the obtaining of new collectors, or interesting new publications with them, that is all that accompanies a boom in a new fashion trend in art investment.

No, more interesting museum quality works of social realism of the first names will be purchased, then, they are the first names, but it is clear that this is not an indicator.

That is, something like that in a nutshell.

Сергей Мельников 08.12.2012 00:34

and truth to
 
Art Market - more than limited. In Moscow, they say , " you want to feel a little better, say, the full program ." " Narrow circle of collectors ." The situation with the Soviet art ( socialist realism - only part of it) - is ambiguous. Work is in progress (exhibitions , publications , monographs , auction sales, etc. ) - " capitalization of investment." Efficiency - is available!
 Needless comparison - unproductive . Answer - who bought and how much it had.

artcol 08.12.2012 10:28

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Сообщение от Sergey Melnikov (Сообщение 2374411)
To " Socialist Realism " is not seen as something dirty

And what is this thing can serve in defense of socialist realism ?

Sufficiently generalized shaped sketch ( in plus), I would not say that it is executed at the highest technical level. The level is very low ( but not low).

Possible, of course , does not transfer photos ...

Pavel 08.12.2012 11:04

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2376511"
Can you guess why?

AAAA Capital will transfer to Samara ?
About the secondary market you well guessed, I talked about this. This is exactly what is missing here in Moscow . I have to say that the artist is measured based on the analysis of many auction results . When not sold somewhere else and sold through the roof , look for intent , but it was all intent Shots Jewish history " avanarda ." One example -Rabin bought in Moscow for the lemon and at Sotheby's for 20,000.
About me please do not worry . Sells me.


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