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Pavel 07.08.2013 15:30

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 2704091)
Guardian of dill, this quote from 26.03.2010 , and its author that their endless mantra taldychet here for several years .

This is not a mantra , and the need for objectivity , but it is difficult to understand , it is easier to collect non-existent gossip, and boast existent masterpieces.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 2704981)
and P. Tyryshkin - ever! <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

I'm not in vogue. For fashion to work for everything and Minotepa and assent of the COP.

Хранитель укропа 07.08.2013 22:31

The criterion of successful sales.
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Сообщение от MrVitt (Сообщение 1144061)
A specific criteria to be most likely can not. How to measure that? <! - ~ 1 ~ -> Margins? As pilchards in banks? 50%bushing - excellent for 150%- so do super? <! - ~ 1 ~ -> Not suitable means such an assessment. How can you estimate the cost of painting?
Measured by the number? So again, same thing. For some, and one picture per month - already a success, and someone 15 - a little ... And then five years later the one that sold in one month, is selling 15. So then, five years ago with one picture - it was a sales success or not?
You can still probably appreciate the fact that there is enough life sales. But here, the criteria are different, depending on who he loves to smear on bread ... <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
So it would probably be the most appropriate assessment of purely personal, fair in real time to a specific sale.

You can pick a different assessment tool. The total number of works sold to written (%). Very informative criterion.
There are artists based on sales of rare works with a high price.
You write, "How can you estimate the cost of painting?" - Just .. based on the spent material: canvas, paint brush, etc., except mental costs. I think you meant, how to form a picture of the price ..

Artoil-A 08.08.2013 00:50

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Сообщение от Keeper dill 2705581
Criteria of successful sales.

You can pick a different assessment tool. The total number of works sold to written (%). Very informative criterion.
There are artists based on sales of rare works with a high price.
You write, "How can you estimate the cost of painting?" - Just .. based on the spent material: canvas, paint brush, etc., except mental costs. I think you meant, how to form a picture of the price ..

This is not the case. Market artist realizes 99%of manufactured goods. This figure is there for hundreds of years. When working "to order" there is a problem of manufacturing "individual" order when the work done is not the customer buys. That is 1%and is the work.
 Only in the beginning can be in the top ten works of a few unsold works.
 This requirement and the tax authorities, and the requirements of the cost of materials and the cost of living. Previously, the tax authorities could be attributed to the materials 40%of revenue. Now we have to focus on writing off 10-20%of income, otherwise the work will not be profitable.
Hence the high demands on the ability to conduct marketing analysis, to comply with the requirements of painting technology.
The level of domestic gallery owners typically do not allow them to raise the artist from his entry-level, so the primary effort should be made by the artist.
And all the problems at once the artist promise to solve just crooks.
In practice, is a phased upgrade from level to level. Well if the artist will work as an apprentice at the market held the artist.

Кирилл Сызранский 08.08.2013 01:02

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Сообщение от Artoil-A; 2705791 "
Market artist realizes 99%of manufactured goods .

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Сообщение от Artoil-A; 2705791 "
Well if the artist will work as an apprentice at the market held on the artist.

Here, under the " market artist " means the artist from the market, from the market , with the fair, with the underground, from the street : " Flown, hurry , buy paintings ". <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

vodoleykina 08.08.2013 01:22

Artoil-A, Tax ....) )) This is so scary guys who can come in and prevent paint ( poetry , music, book ) ? ) Up to a certain amount in the account ( major purchases , money transfers ) the tax man is not interested at all , not every artist can earn the same amount . But if the artist does not pay taxes ... He allegedly unemployed? And it's a lot of inconvenience ) Just like artists get Schengen visa? <! - ~ 7 ~ -> pension, social. services and m ...

Artoil-A 08.08.2013 09:16

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 2705811)
​​Here, the " market-based artist " means the artist from the market, from the market , with the fair, with the underground, from the street : " Flown, hurry , buy art ". <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

KS - this opinion exists among the guards of the market, I 've even heard from them that the work of art is easy : " Brush up and down ... " . And if you omillionittsa in the pictures ?
see:

Artoil-A 08.08.2013 09:23

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Сообщение от vodoleykina (Сообщение 2705821)
Artoil-A, Tax ....) )) This is so scary guys who can come in and prevent paint ( poetry , music, book ) ? ) Up to a certain amount for account ( major purchases , money transfers ) the tax man is not interested at all , not every artist can earn the same amount . But if the artist does not pay taxes ... He allegedly unemployed? And it's a lot of inconvenience ) Just like artists get Schengen visa? <! - ~ 7 ~ -> pension, social. services and m ...

No, this gentle girly ...
But there are terrible neighbors who have developed the seventh sense - the sense of money
 someone else's wallet. They will write you at night is cut gold bars and listen to the sound of
German gold ( golden section and the " Das Rheingold ." And you will go to the delegation.
So consider that the tax will be interested first ruble ...
By the way, I wrote , why legality, but not a crime ...

Fed 08.08.2013 09:39

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 2706301)
Yes, and work to see.

Since
You can not send private messages, write here: go to his profile and see the work.

Хранитель укропа 08.08.2013 10:01

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Сообщение от Artoil-A (Сообщение 2705791)
This is not the case. Market artist realizes 99%of manufactured goods. This figure is there for hundreds of years. When working "to order" there is a problem of manufacturing "individual" order when the work done is not the customer buys. That is 1%and is the work.
 Only in the beginning can be in the top ten works of a few unsold works.
 This requirement and the tax authorities, and the requirements of the cost of materials and the cost of living. Previously, the tax authorities could be attributed to the materials 40%of revenue. Now we have to focus on writing off 10-20%of income, otherwise the work will not be profitable.
Hence the high demands on the ability to conduct marketing analysis, to comply with the requirements of painting technology.
The level of domestic gallery owners typically do not allow them to raise the artist from his entry-level, so the primary effort should be made by the artist.
And all the problems at once the artist promise to solve just crooks.
In practice, is a phased upgrade from level to level. Well if the artist will work as an apprentice at the market held the artist.

Dear Artoil-A, I'm asking you a question and you write, "It is not so much" .. (?)
You have a very unique evaluation and reasoning, I find it hard to understand what you write .. on the taxman with market research and painting technology with scammers.
If you want to discuss pricing, let us consider this particular aspect .. and then sequentially other.
Thank you.

Pavel 08.08.2013 10:05

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Сообщение от Fed (Сообщение 2706351)
Since You can not send private messages , write here : go to his profile and see the work .

I went in, looked at it. 've Seen it, but was not in albums and so forth . It's a la Italiano revival compilation. Especially liked Tanya - people with copies of photos and do not know how to draw . Amateur level . Piastres , piastres .

Кирилл Сызранский 08.08.2013 10:12

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 2706431)
compilation.

Would you really be silent about the compilation - you compile all.

Хранитель укропа 08.08.2013 10:15

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 2705981)
And the number of the artist sedennogo brewing . In general, these artists thing to have one confusion , it is better engage in the production of pies or anything ... Why do you picture these dirty .

" Why do you picture these dirty ." Are you talking about .. the high and picturesque , or about your experience in the production of pies ?
You want to have praised for sharpness <! - ~ 1 ~ -> ) . You know very well , the mood is different ..
Pavel, I commend you <! - ~ 1 ~ -> ) .

Pavel 08.08.2013 10:31

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky ; 2706451 "
You would really be silent about the compilation - you have all the compilation .

Well, well ? <! - ~ 7 ~ -> <! - ~ 7 ~ -> <! - ~ 7 ~ -> <! - ~ 7 ~ -> <! - ~ 7 ~ -> <! - ~ 7 ~ -> Konechno.A even know what they say about me ? Oooo ... <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Keeper dill 2706461
" Why do you picture these dirty ." Are you talking about .. the high and picturesque , or about your experience in the production of pies ?
You want to have praised for sharpness <! - ~ 1 ~ -> ) . You know very well , the mood is different ..
Pavel, I commend you <! - ~ 1 ~ ->).

I do not need to praise better tell seriously on pricing in the painting.
Paintings are made of canvas , not always clean , paint is also not a gift and kerosene or turpentine worse .
On the contrary pies was the story - one pastry chef in Paris, gave up his business and began to sell paintings. He had an argument.

Хранитель укропа 08.08.2013 10:37

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Сообщение от Magnolia (Сообщение 2704241)
Guardian of dill, You know something about a stolenwork?

I know nothing .. is engaged in a dedicated detective (with a unique occasion), and the artists whose "Era of Change" stolen the work and the collection - hundreds of them! Came sledak up a report and departed ..

The last example, you probably have heard it:
"The police of St. Petersburg is looking for about 1,000 paintings by famous artists Bella and Isaac Kaplan-Manevitch abducted on the night of August 1. Appealed to the police director Sergei Avrutin. He told the police that was stolen from his garden a unique collection of paintings, which had come to him by inheritance from his wife. director's wife was the daughter of well-known artists Manevitch-Kaplan.

.. cottage in Repino robbed. He was out from July 13 to 31, and during that time unknown picked up the keys to the locks and delivered more than 1,000 paintings of the artist Bella Manevitch-Kaplan.
In a unique collection of sketches were a legendary Soviet films such as the TV series "Sherlock Holmes," painting "White Sun of the Desert," "The Lady with the Dog," "Three Fat Men" ..
This is not the first kidnapping of a unique collection. In 2012 it was stolen the first time, but then the attackers caught almost immediately. They do not have time to get rid of any one sketch. While there was a consequence, the picture was almost a year in law enforcement and took on the case as evidence. After that, the collection returned rightful owner. However, they are not at home and spent the month. "

According to a rough estimate the value of stolen ~ 50 million rubles.
I looked at the video and the story was quite surprised .. rich enough country house, the windows no grids or ohr.zhalyuzey ..
Made a conclusion, that's what happens when gets the job for free.

Artoil-A 08.08.2013 10:37

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Сообщение от Keeper dill 2706411
Dear Artoil-A, I'm asking you a question and you write, "It is not so much" .. (?)
You have a very unique evaluation and reasoning , I find it hard to understand what you write .. on the taxman with market research and painting technology with scammers.
If you want to discuss pricing , let us consider this particular aspect .. and then sequentially other .
Thank you .

All this is discussed in this section .... Read . Go wrong - will be costly , but not fatal.


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