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Yurko 29.10.2010 20:05

:) agree .. and I just wrote the opposite .. just sold .. sometimes even due to lack of camera .. even you can not fix :) <
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I-V 29.10.2010 23:27

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1351551)
And most importantly: the art of thought rather than a brush, and if you do think, m e to create conceptual, invented things (lips merge in the lightning or the letter M, the eyes of different people in turn are through the eyes of a new object, railing circling dance-picture is called Kiss in the subway), it is not sensible to do it in a format sovriska rather than traditional painting?

That's interesting thoughts known Moscow artist - conceptual Viktor Pivovarov (r.1937). In 1982 he moved to Prague, where he was forced to learn the language of contemporary Western art, that is:

"say" in a western "

I guess I still died.
Or was he born?
Because I can not speak.
I find myself not only from scratch, but with empty hands. Where did all that I have gained? That's already arrived in Prague two containers of my paintings, but I am completely lost. As if that is not my picture. I do not know how. I need to start all over again. From scratch. Must again learn to speak. But in what language?
My tongue, which I mentioned earlier, I can not remember.
And anyway, would anyone understand me here if I'm going to talk to him?
What to do?


Search and testing of different artistic languages I studied in Moscow. Was constantly changing styles, expressive means, materials. But now the problem is exacerbated to the limit of two circumstances. Firstly, the fact that I was physically in the field of another language not only spoken but also cultural. Secondly, the total devaluation of any artistic language in the modern iskussstve.
Nevertheless, I have no choice, how to master a new language for themselves, learn to speak "in a western."
This requires first and foremost to develop a personal language, "personal phrase" coming from the individual psychophysical characteristics of the artist. The process of developing a "personal phrase can be compared with the training of cats. As we know, cats do not lend themselves to training. If the trainer wants to play with the cats in the circus, he must of the myriad of cats turn up separate instances, which are different eccentricities and are capable of very unusual for the other cats tricks.
For example, there are cats who like to walk in the front paws, while others love to hang upside down on the curtains, etc. This is their own language, their "personal phrase.
With today's artists is the case in this manner. Sam Francis, for example, makes a wonderful splashes and sprays, Daniel Buren - the world's best expert on striped, Chi (Cy) Twombly - peerless master zakoryuchek and doodles. This is their "personal sentences" which they developed in the course of his work.
To critics, the market, museums have recognized their creativity, their "personal sentences" must meet several requirements.
First, the "personal phrase" must be original, must be so different from "personal sentences" of other artists to make it easy and instantly recognizable in a sea of exhibitions, catalogs and magazines.
Secondly, this "personal phrase" should have the ability to Maximal variability. Optimum "personal phrase" that which can be varied for a long time, preferably for life, and it does not miss the most, and not tire the viewer.
Third, a "personal phrase" must itself be incomprehensible. Understandable phrase can not be part of the overall context, because the text of Western culture in general must remain esoteric and be accessible only to a very narrow circle of specialists.
Distinguished "personal phrase" may have some sort of philosophical penetration, ie have a higher meaning. But according to Western standards is not mandatory.
Worst of all estimated volatility. When an artist begins to speak a "phrase" and then throw it begins another, then a third. This is considered a bad sign, it means that the author himself does not believe what he says.
Here is the last sin I committed and constantly in the process of learning to speak "in a western." Starting in 1979 with "empty" of abstraction, I'm in the next year moved to abstraction quite the opposite type, then the third ... and then rolled all the different sides.
I think that saying "in a western," I eventually learned, was just talking with a monstrous accent. "

Quoted from: Viktor Pivovarov "Agent in Love," UFOs, Moscow, 2001
http://www.nlobooks.ru/rus/books/the...t60_list0.html

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1. Viktor Pivovarov at work

2. Exhibition Viktor Pivovarov in Moravska-galerie 25 /2 - 23/5/2010 city
http://www.moravska-galerie.cz/cs/ak...pivovarov-oni/

3. Sam Francis (1923 - 1994): an exhibition in the Museo Reina Sofia (Madrid)
http://www.samfrancis.com/

4. Daniel Buren (r.1938) - exhibition of paintings
http://www.danielburen.com/

5. Chi (Cy) Twombly (r.1928) - an exhibition at the Museum of Modern Art (MOMA) (New York)
http://www.cytwombly.info/

Posav 29.10.2010 23:40

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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 1353211)
To critics, the market, museums have recognized their creativity, their" personal sentences "must meet several requirements.
First, the "personal phrase" must be original, must be so different from "personal sentences" of other artists to make it easy and instantly recognizable in a sea of exhibitions, catalogs and magazines.
Secondly, this "personal phrase" should have the ability to Maximal variability. Optimum "personal phrase" that which can be varied for a long time, preferably for life, and it does not miss the most, and not tire the viewer.
Third, a "personal phrase" must itself be incomprehensible. Understandable phrase can not be part of the overall context, because the text of Western culture in general must remain esoteric and be accessible only to a very narrow circle of specialists.
Distinguished "personal phrase" may have some sort of philosophical penetration, ie have a higher meaning. But according to Western standards is not mandatory.
Worst of all estimated volatility. When an artist begins to speak a "phrase" and then throw it begins another, then a third. This is considered a bad sign, it means that the author himself does not believe what he says.
Here is the last sin I committed and constantly in the process of learning to speak "in a western." Starting in 1979 with "empty" of abstraction, I'm in the next year moved to abstraction quite the opposite type, then the third ... and then rolled all the different sides.
I think that saying "in a western," I eventually learned, was just talking with a monstrous accent. "

We called it "have its own face, personality," "the creative line."

fabosch 29.10.2010 23:56

Thank God that this great artist did not get rid of his "appalling accent." Along with him he would have lost svvoyu personality. However, this is an incredible assumption.
I remembered another place of his remarkable book, in which he was quite brief, but very eloquently describes how to visit him in Prague came to his sidekick Ilya Kabakov. In this short description - quintessence Kabakov, as an artist and as a person:
"A year later, in April 1981, even before my final move to Prague came Kabakov. I walked the same workshops, met with the same people. smart as a serpent, sniffed the air. (emphasis mine) Then, Sitting with me on the bench in the shade of huge trees at Charles Square, carefully, very carefully, said:
- Maybe the move is not necessary. "

Кирилл Сызранский 30.10.2010 01:49

Interesting.
:)

Now read the topic How to unleash the artist (article) two years ago.
:D

Peter 30.10.2010 19:41

fabosch, do not lose pereezzhat.My sebya.Eto foreign standards, foreign yazyk.My there will always be superfluous, "speaking with emphasis," even if we can adapt to nih.Vernutsya to their roots and you will be interesting for the West and you will not have to destroy themselves and lose valuable time for creative life "rebirth" in the name of what?

Кирилл Сызранский 30.10.2010 20:38

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Сообщение от "Peter (Сообщение 1354091)
It's someone else's standards, a foreign language.

Gogol "alien standards" do not disturb, as, indeed, and Ivanov, and Semiradzki, and Moller, and Pimen Orlov ...

Peter 30.10.2010 21:03

It is not so pryamo.Yazyk in your examples was still a "picturesque Esperanto."
:)

Кирилл Сызранский 30.10.2010 21:06

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1354321)
The language in your examples was still a "picturesque Esperanto."
:)

So?
Why do not now use this "picturesque Esperanto"?

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Сообщение от "Peter (Сообщение 1354091)
We're losing ourselves.

Where?
When "foreign standards and foreign language?

Peter 30.10.2010 21:12

Cyril, please justify your questions, if you agree with me and if do not agree, why not?


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