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Pavel 22.03.2013 17:25

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 2516681)
From the lengthy text for me the main thing - this phrase. While in the Russian art market participants do not realize that filmmakers and qualified intermediary (art dealer, gallery owner) are vital to each other - the market will not. And most of his wealth operators too.
Of course, the two sides of the process there is a conflict of interest. But they just can not exist comfortably at a time. The whole world is a hundred years as I understand. Soon, we'll understand.
By the way, "the famous battle" takes place between the artist and the buyer, they have, however, also has a conflict of interest.
Would you like to remove one of the sides?
And one more thing. Tragically, today one qualified intermediary has almost a hundred artists. To me personally, a little-known and recently intermingled, send dozens of artists portfolios.
And it is the lack of qualified mediators restrains the growth of the market, because the filmmakers can not, can not, and do not want to deal with the market development, "recruitment" of new participants. They would have to understand creative issues. And the money is always strained.

If the market had suffered from poor number of intermediaries and a surplus of artists, it's simple to open the hunting season and all. There is such a thing, no one knows (except Artualya) who shoot something. You start with the realists, and they clap and rose in price. Etc. Maybe it's the lack of market as such? How to get people to buy and collect? I know how. Ear for the money (sseminaryu) friends to pull.
It is necessary not to spin artist, and vice versa.

Artoil-A 22.03.2013 17:52

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 2517091)
How to get people to buy and collect? I know how. Ear for the money (sseminaryu) friends to pull.
It is necessary not to spin artist, and vice versa.

Interesting paradoxical sentence: "The spin artists." It is necessary to ponder.
I think they do not need to twist. Twirl their general course of events.
Analyzing the past, I see a number of errors:
- Delayed for color copiers and performances of the Russian school, because to market did not even know her inferiority;
- Although professional to market involved elements of architectural design, too lazy to learn a list of basic architectural forms;
- I had to learn to market free animalistic pattern;
- Before the master souvenir small things.

In terms of trade had not so quickly go to the gallery and only showrooms and maintain a presence at the public sale, the more successful working apprentice artists at Vernissage and Museon ...

On interest. There are psychological structures that are codes that increase the likelihood of release of tens of thousands of similar. There is also a psychological tricks that these structures are imprinted in the memory viewer. This is facilitated by techniques based on the technique of the old masters.

iosif 22.03.2013 18:28

Pavel, it seems , you got my words too literally , the only one of its side. No oversupply of artists and gallery owners lack, here's the thing . After all, new intermediaries will not be able to select customers from the old ones. Hence, they will create a new customer base , that is, to develop the market . Seminars , friends pull (and artists) , the standard marketing techniques to use (like most artists can not, will not and can not).
And to an artist with no intermediary squabbled should apply again the standard legal procedures at the beginning of joint work. More precisely, to start working together. This is in addition to personal integrity , not replacing it.

artcol 22.03.2013 18:50

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Сообщение от Artoil-A (Сообщение 2517201)
Interesting paradoxical sentence: "The spin artists."
It is necessary to think about.

Paul was joking, of course.

Artoil-A 22.03.2013 19:19

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 2517311)
And to an artist with no intermediary squabbled should apply again the standard legal procedures at the beginning of joint work. More precisely, to start working together. This is in addition to personal integrity , not replace it .

Many artists and intermediaries working illegally. They no contract is concluded . Also in Russia does not run after the concept , respectively , few will follow the business reputation.
Ie general business climate infected crime. In addition , even an honest broker will push to crime overall corruption.
Finally , I did not imagine a situation where a mediator will learn to be an expert in the technology and techniques of painting and it will correct the deficiencies of the artist and schools to organize his work.

Pavel 22.03.2013 19:50

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 2517311)
Pavel, it seems, you got my words too literally, the only one of its side. No oversupply of artists and gallery owners lack, here's the thing. After all, new intermediaries will not be able to select customers from the old ones. Hence, they will create a new customer base, that is, to develop the market. Seminars, friends pull (and artists), the standard marketing techniques to use (like most artists can not, will not and can not).
And to an artist with no intermediary squabbled should apply again the standard legal procedures at the beginning of joint work. More precisely, to start working together. This is in addition to personal integrity, not replace it.

When the artist hyping, then create fame by marketing techniques the artist who does not deserve it often, and it is implied. Paid for it, etc. Buyers of the artist should be happy? But after a while they realize that they just cheated. Here's a better rasrutki inappropriately. Requires a broad exhibition and artists, from whom comes to fame and only then come to them.
In general, to talk about the market must first determine what the market. I show that market online Drouot, but no interest.

iosif 22.03.2013 20:33

Pavel, means that it is necessary to spin a bad artist?
Why?!
Much more favorable to spin good.
Less money will be spent :)>

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Artoil-A, I think that the mediator does not have to lead the artist.
It can only generate Institute artist on market preferences.
And what if the artist asks him about it.

Artoil-A 23.03.2013 07:14

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 2517781)
Pavel, means that it is necessary to spin a bad artist? Why?! Much more favorable to spin good. Less money will be spent :)>

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Artoil-A, I think that the mediator does not have to lead the artist. It can only generate Institute artist on market preferences. And what if the artist asks him about it.

Like this is being formed, but without the promotion of the artist. Intermediary need the result - quickly sold the picture.
I remember well in the 80's, art mediator demanded simply copy or interpret, offering or sample pictures, or photos, or print out the art directory. In the 2000s, the genre was called, was known for the estimated price paid by the artist, and the approximate size of the picture. (For example, a modern urban landscape. Canvas stretcher in the factory. Medium format. Price 300 - $ 500).
Market leading artists of the time required of apprentices to work in their genre and style, but exhibited very high demands on the equipment and technology of painting. Then the work of apprentices sold leading artist.
Are all different forms of leadership.

iosif 23.03.2013 08:26

Artoil-A, I can not agree with you.
What you tell - certainly interesting, and certainly about the business.
But hardly about art.
Rather, all the same DPI.
I'm not a reproach, in DPI's nothing bad things, just for accuracy.

Artoil-A 23.03.2013 09:17

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 2518531)
Artoil-A, I can not agree with you. What you tell - certainly interesting, and certainly about the business . But hardly about art . Rather , all the same DPI. I'm not a reproach , in DPI 's nothing bad things , just for accuracy .

Arts and crafts and computer design provide fast and relatively large sums of money (above the average wage) . One artist , leader of a brigade of artists in the 80 's, once told me that before each ( artist) life puts a choice or a yacht , or talk about a great ...
He then recruited apprentices. Unfortunately, then , neither I nor my surroundings artists did not have the equipment and technology of painting. But the brain is communication cleaned.

Pavel 23.03.2013 09:37

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 2517781)
Pavel, means that it is necessary to spin a bad artist?
Why?!
Much more favorable to spin good.
Less money will be spent

How will you know who it is good.
Commercial success is very fleeting.

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 2518531)
Artoil-A, I can not agree with you.
What you tell - certainly interesting, and certainly about the business.
But hardly about art.
Rather, all the same DPI.
I'm not a reproach, in DPI's nothing bad things, just for accuracy.

Most of kitsch.

Artoil-A 23.03.2013 09:48

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 2518601)
How do you determine who it was good. Commercial success is very fleeting .

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Most of kitsch .

Kitsch is not requiring commercial art sponsor. Moreover, sustainable income . Moving to kitsch requires serious research and additional training of the artist, who was the standard training. Well, the artist will be sponsored , in anticipation of the great and eternal , and a commercial artist will nail down the money ... By the way , the income kitsch brings decades.
Naturally, members of the household do not appreciate the genius did not take place .

Pablo 23.03.2013 09:59

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Сообщение от Artoil-A (Сообщение 2518621)
households will not appreciate the genius did not take place.

It depends on many criteria: despite what the household, there is income in addition to art, etc.

May appreciate the genius of his grandchildren or great-grandchildren?

artcol 23.03.2013 10:17

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 2518531)
Artoil-A, I can not agree with you. What you tell - certainly interesting, and certainly about the business . But hardly about art . Rather , all the same DPI. I'm not a reproach , in DPI 's nothing bad things , just for accuracy .

"High" kitsch as it is also an art ... The same Warhol.

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 2518601)
How do you determine who it was good.

Key criteria - uniqueness .

Artoil-A 23.03.2013 10:27

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2518661)
" High" kitsch as it is also an art ... The same Warhol.

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Key criteria - uniqueness .

I think that the original is well equipped workshop and the ability to use the equipment.
The uniqueness is twofold:
- Minor changes the traditional ;
- The ability to compose Surrey.
The other does not see. I think clowning (performance ) does not apply to painting .


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