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kozhinart 04.11.2009 14:56

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich (Сообщение 678804)
the gallery for some reason decided to reduce (some of the artists) to a simple light-sale profits, and the artist - a creative, hard, nepos tizhimomu work. Bad luck ...

So often people think "Geniuses".: D

Buscador 04.11.2009 15:00

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 678744)
So in a nutshell.

Paul, again you for your ... Have read somewhere in the popular literature (French, before last century, in the modern pervode) and dream of that "someone buys and waiting ..." You represent everything from the perspective of the artist, making it easier ... The gallery houses works 150-200. And you think that all this is purchased "by amateurs, collectors and gallery owners with the aim quick gains ..
Your arguments do not relate to any side of the picture ...

AlexanderG 04.11.2009 15:03

Srednii mesiachnui biudzet galerei v Melbourne:

Arenda: $ 3 - 5,000

Strahovka imuschestva i publichnaia: $ 200 (po-horoshemy)

Telefon, internet: $ 500

Voda: $ 70 -100

Elektrichestvo: $ 100

Nalog raisoveta: $ 150

Uborka: $ 500

GST: 10%ot prodaz

Vystavka:

Priglasheniia: $ 300 za 1000, plius disain - $ 150, plius foto kartiny dlia priglasheniia - $ 100

Poslat 'priglasheniia: $ 0,7 za odno - 500 poslat' - $ 350

Popit '- $ 300

Reklama $ 450 (samaia deshiovaia)

Pokraska sten - osvezit '- $ 300 -500

Dostavka kartin pokupateliu $ 50 - 100 za odny

Kreditnaia karta - $ 30 za mashinku i 1,5%s summy.

Obustroistvo galerei i osvescheniia ne uchityvaem, katalogi ne uchityvaem, platu kritikam ne uchityvaem.

Nepredvidennye rashody: $ 750

V srednem $ 7 -10.000.
Pri 50%commissionnyh, galeree nado prodat 'na $ 20,000 v mesiats chto by srabotat' v nol '. Nalogi ne rassmatrivali, chto sozdast daze bolee vysokuiu tsenu.

Galereia takogo plana rabotaet v tsenovoi ramke $ 500 - $ 10,000.

Vyzivat 'ne prosto. V melbourne bolee 200 kommercheskih galerei.

AlexanderG 04.11.2009 15:09

Zabyl dobavit ', esli u vas paru chelovek na zarplate, to eto eschio okolo $ 100,000 v god.

Buscador 04.11.2009 15:24

Without claiming to be the truth would say. that neither the U.S. nor in Canada, where I had to work with galleries - no one buys. Begin to cooperate with the artist (or intermediary) with 10 works (On average). Less is not interesting for the market. And there, too galereist decides with which the artist works with what is not, what work takes, what is not ...
And the price dictated by their (ie the one offered by the market, and the artist gets half). Buy gallery and there may, but is bidding to five times less ... Perhaps someone has a different experience. It will be interesting to know (to his prischuchit :))...

AlexanderG 04.11.2009 15:34

Zabyl dobavit 'ohranu i blagotvoritel'nost'.

Pavel 04.11.2009 16:26

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 678744)
auction receives interest and pays taxes but does not affect prices.

Auktsionnye doma prekrasno manipuliruiut tseny. Suschestvuet mnozestvo mehanizmov.

But he uzakanivaet these prices and can sell the thing at any time

Soglasen, auktsiony sozdaiut likvidnist ', no eto zanimaet neskol'ko let.


  Prices unregulated

Art rynok - poslednii nereguliruemyi rynok v mire. Tsenoobrazovanie svobodnoe.

The mechanism is very simple-traders sit in the hall of the galleries are a lot of le t know each other well. They can buy or will buy someone else besides, but at a higher price or the price of the auction if the goods are quite stale. But if the day be held up to 10 auctions is that enough? Look at how many auctions held in Paris in a week. This is a great auctions are rare.

NATA NOVA 04.11.2009 16:39

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Сообщение от Pavel (Сообщение 679014)
But if the day be held up to 10 auctions is that enough? Look at how many auctions held in Paris in a week. This is a great auctions are rare.

Paul, what auctions you have in mind? They're also very different (like shops) ..

Pavel 04.11.2009 16:40

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich (Сообщение 678804)
"... as shirpotred the shop "- means this product is not in demand in another market. If we talk about collaboration with the gallery, then there must exist a mutual benefit, and not unilateral. Otherwise, cooperation will not work. If I, as galereistu, profitable to buy the work, I'll do it. But always buy, of course, will not. And to "hang" of the gallery I also do not benefit - from what time to live (to invest, hold exhibitions ... to eat, feed the family and contain ...;)) gallery. Therefore, being selected works, and not put up those you have given ...
The gallery for some reason decided to reduce (some of the artists) to a simple light-sale profits, and the artist - a creative, hard, inscrutable work. Bad luck ...: confused:

The same traders from buying paintings galleries on the most auctions, where they sit. Therefore, they have in the galleries of paintings already being sold and sometimes for a specific customer with the already agreed-upon price. For example client requests to find Utrillo. If he will look for something he simply will not buy at bargain prices, the same traders. He arranges for a certain amount, such as 2000000, if a trader was able to buy what happens, then 2ooooo-za1800000 his earnings. In addition, they buy things for which they have other customers and are in demand.

Pavel 04.11.2009 16:44

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 679034)
Paul, what auctions you have in mind? They're also very different (like shops )..

Drouot in Montmartre, where 16 rooms, besides a Commissioner winners their auction houses. You can take the Gazette de Drouot and see. They advertised on the site they can see.


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