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тата 05.02.2014 22:36

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2980021)
And I say cardboard, watercolor, tempera.
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I think you're right, now looked like a mixed technique.
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Journalists already choking, like as rejoice and expert assessments about the numbers of false papers, this time modestly - only 50%.
Kiselev - garde, Grigoriev - Impressionist same text they write, read backwards or something.

Кирилл Сызранский 05.02.2014 22:42

acetate, ibid White full.
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2980111)
acetate, ibid White full.
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Do not misunderstand, watercolor whiting, is not, can and where temperature - that's mixed media, what's wrong?
He was so worked.
  
And it seemed to me an interview and 15 seconds.
was not, you know, admit it.
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Кирилл Сызранский 05.02.2014 22:50

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Сообщение от acetate (Сообщение 2980131)
What's wrong?

All true.
I mean about White that immediately watercolor technique as one swept aside.

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And it seemed to me an interview and 15 seconds.
was not, you know, admit it.
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There were 25 seconds and admit: yes, I have edited the story.
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Eriksson 05.02.2014 23:36

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http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/02/05/basner/

February 5 court in St. Petersburg ruled that art , auction house experts Elena Basner Bukowski , who is accused of fraud on a large scale , will remain under house arrest. Prior to that, she was held in jail . Investigators believe that in 2009, Basner , a specialist in Russian avant-garde painting , promoted the sale of collector and doctor Andrei Vasilyev fake paintings, the original of which is stored in the Russian Museum. Basner colleagues surprised and angered her detention and in prison , unwilling to its conclusion at the time of trial and Vasiliev himself . " Lenta.ru, " tried to figure out what the suspect critic .

"She's a very decent man , very thin ," - says " Lente.ru " Valentine Shiheeva , second cousin and close friend Elena Basner . She echoed Irina Karasik , Basner worked with the Russian Museum. "In my opinion , Lena and fraud - are absolutely incompatible in all its human and professional qualities , not to mention the fact that she was the person who initiated the invention is a method aimed at identifying fakes" - she explains .
From purchase to business

In 2009, Elena Basner , a former employee of the Russian Museum , world-renowned expert , Michael turned Aranson ( featured in the press as well as Aronson ) to verify the authenticity of paintings by Boris Grigoriev ( 1886-1939 ) " restaurant ", dating from 1913 . Studied painting and art historian , relying on style and other visual aspects , verbally gave Aranson positive conclusion. She soon found a buyer for this picture - the general director of the St. Petersburg publishing house " The Golden Age" Leonid SHumakova . Shumakov , in turn, sold the painting in 2009 for an amount greater physician and collector Andrey Vasilyev says " Lente.ru " Valentine Shiheeva . Vasiliev wrote "Kommersant" in 2011 , regularly collaborated with the publisher : he asked SHumakova reported the arrival on the market works from famous collections of pre-revolutionary or catalogs.

Grigorieva fabric suitable for both criteria. According to most collectors, he described the " restaurant " as a picture from the collection of Nikolai Nikolaevich Timofeev ( it Vasiliev knew personally ) , who in 1930 bought the product directly from the collector Alexander Burceva . " The presence of a large number in the Timofeyev paintings Grigorieva Basner knew only I and another man " - says Vasiliev comment on Colta.ru
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In 1914 Bourtsev published black and white photo canvas in his periodical " My Journal for the few ." In 2007 , according to Vasiliev , Basner took "History" in Publichke and photographed " in the restaurant ." Properties file with a digital camera , it is not removed , allowing the collector and found out when it happened.

" The apartment Basner to deal this picture was at least 5 days, which is also set to file properties " - said Vasilyev comments on Colta.ru, but did not specify what kind of deal has in mind about which files in question . While in another debate on Facebook Vasiliev February 4 wrote not about the photos and scans of "My journal for the few " who did Basner in the library - they were attached to the picture when he bought it . Be that as it may , a collector , buying fabric, technological expertise to conduct did not : it was enough that he learned about the history of origin of the work .

In 2010, Vasilyev introduced " restaurant " at " Parizhachi " in Moscow gallery "Our artists" . There I saw a picture of a former employee of the Grabar Restoration Center Yuly Rybakov . She told the collector that shortly before Vasiliev made ​​a purchase - in June 2009 , the center held a recognized expertise and web forgeries. Vasiliev then her words did not pay attention , taking the squabbles in the art world . "I was so sure of himself that dismissed the " nonsense " , considering their typical remark intrigues of our world ," - he said " Fontanke.ru ."

But in 2011, Russian Museum retrospective arranged by Boris Grigoriev , and found that the museum's work is avant-garde in 1913 " Paris Cafe " almost coinciding with Vasilievka " restaurant ." Collector asked the museum expertise , the results of which repeated the conclusion of the Grabar Center - fake picture . Vasiliev tried to cancel the transaction , to regain the money ( he paid for the painting of 250 thousand dollars ) , and the owner - picture. Only then he found that Shumakov received a " restaurant " brokered Basner . Vasiliev knows Petersburg art critic for over 30 years and , according to him , that he made it to the auction house Bukowski; however, after the long-standing conflict collector would not buy the painting from Basner . "My heart is broken with respect to it 10 years ago, when she had to write the foreword to our book of Schuster and threw such a trick , after which neither I nor the family Schuster never communicated with her ," - he wrote on Facebook. Vasiliev and found that the product did not occur from the collection Timofeev , and out of the garage in the Leningrad region , where she found Aranson ( according to the collector, it is repeatedly convicted man never lived in St. Petersburg) .

Having failed in an attempt to get their money back , Vasiliev went to civil court with a lawsuit against Leonid SHumakova and then , when it was closed for the expiration of the statute of limitations began to pursue a criminal case . In the 2012 case of fraud was finally opened . In August 2013 Vasiliev visited the head of the Investigative Committee Alexander Bastrykin , who allegedly initiated the litigation. "They say that such a visit is worth the money , comparable to the cost of the painting ," - notes Shiheeva .



Painting " The restaurant " eventually passed at least two formal and one informal examination (although still Vasiliev mentions "several" experts who examined the painting before the deal , called it genuine ) . The first official examination has been at the center of Grabar shortly before the work has got to Vasilyev. Specialists of the center , says Valentine Shiheeva found the picture pencil sketches , uncharacteristic for Boris Grigoriev , and pigment , which appeared later the expected time of painting. The question of pigment she explains , is not unique , and as pencil sketches , after accusations Vasilyeva Basner she began to study the artist's work in private collections and seemingly even found similar examples .

In 2008 Basner and expert Andrew Kursanov patented method to say , the picture was written before 1945 or after . It was based on the analysis of isotopes , which appeared in the atmosphere after dropping bombs on Hiroshima . However, the painting " The restaurant ," explains Officer Tretyakov Gallery Tatyana Levina, it can not be applied : it only works for oil paintings , and " restaurant " - is the temperature (or gouache) , there is no oil binder.

Before buying , as already mentioned, only trusted Vasiliev information about provenance and , as he himself remarked , oral report, several experts (whose names he did not call , but this is unlikely Basner as the collector does not know about her involvement in the transaction , "Kommersant" wrote that Shumakov referred to the oral assessment senior fellow figure Yulia Solonovich Russian Museum ) . " Typically, the buyer orders or expertise , or asks her to the seller ( the most common case , when the item is on sale with papers ) ," - explains the " Lente.ru " employee Tretyakov Gallery Tatiana Goryachev . If provenance is completely transparent (eg , paper attached to things related to the artist's family , or a demonstrable history collections in existence ) , technological expertise can be neglected.

Goriacheva colleague Tatiana Lewin notes that examinations often turn dealers . " It often happens that the buyer would want a " chemistry ". But the " chemistry" not everything can be said , although there may be " criminal " pigments. It happens that the work is signed , say , 1959 year. And it found cobalt blue spectral - especially Soviet paint, which was made in 1961 . There are the same thing , and pigments , which were already at this time , but western paints. In general, all within the allowable : people could sign some work earlier year , it could be french paint - but from this combination somehow uncomfortable "- explains Levin. In these - and all in all - cases very important stylistic analysis : "What we see there that we see here that we know for 30 years that we have in the museum ."

Tatyana Levina


"Museum with its funds paintings - this invaluable material . And when a person is engaged only in expertise without having large corps museum things - he begins to compare one thing with another expertized and all its design risks becoming air lock. This is dangerous, all somewhat hangs . Need to get a lot of people had the opportunity to look at pictures , and gives such a possibility only museum: while not a permanent exhibition and the funds "- adds Tatyana Levina .

The importance of the stylistic examination and Elena Basner wrote , speaking of his patented and exclusively technological method. " Deflate the radionuclides from the ink layer now nobody can . However , in spite of everything , the most important thing is the sense of authenticity . It will not make out with a microscope . This must be long to learn , cultivate it in yourself " - she says .

However, in the case of official examinations Vasiliev ( no stylistic or technological ) is still not there. "Trust intermediary - is certainly good, but then the proxy may be misled , - says Tatiana Goryachev . - Provenance voiced mediator should be supported by any evidence. In all other cases - is the risk that the buyer takes over. And by the way , buyers , even if they are not dealers and collectors , never exclude the possibility of rotation of works in its collection . In other words - in case they are going to sell a sometime thing - it must be proof paper from the experts. And better - from a few " - she concludes .

Such securities Vasilyev was not , at least , he openly about their existence does not say - perhaps deferring to trial. The materials of the civil suit alleges that the transaction is not accompanied by any documents .
True worse every lie

In the discussion on Facebook Vasilyev says he is convinced Basner - only " fifth wheel , and behind it are the people she is not losing because of fear or any close relationship ." According to the collector, it deliberately sold " falshak " while asking SHumakova hide from Vasilieva participation in the transaction. Relatives Basner refute this : art , according to them, did not know that was the ultimate buyer Vasiliev, until he spoke to her myself. " It is normal practice when the buyer does not see Seller " - explains the " Lente.ru " Valentine Shiheeva . She emphasizes that it is unknown whether the most about that picture Basner verbally endorsed , which experts later acknowledged fake, or is it the other work .

Shiheeva and refutes the assumption Vasilyeva ( voiced by all in the same discussion ) that Basner appropriated 70,000 dollars : Shumakov collector paid 250,000 , and the owner got only 180 . Shiheeva assures that this difference remained in SHumakova who just decided to sell the painting more than he bought it.

With all this Vasiliev constantly hints that emerge during the trial some shocking details " and wait for the court " I'm the truth about you porasskazhu one that is worse of all lies " ", " wait for the court - such surprises are waiting for you ", " as if to some reason the court will not, then released a book which will be published by authentic documents , "- he writes his interlocutors on facebook . For example, in his opinion, something fishy in the Russian Museum : "When I passed her in the belt , and then two months there singing praises, and then gave a negative paper. But before that, on the table [ deputy director of the Russian Museum ] Petrova fell positive assessment "- he writes.

Andrey Vasilyev has repeatedly expressed his view on the history of painting . Back in 2011 , when the case was first highlighted press collector noticed that the fraud of such quality as his " restaurant ", could be done only with the sight of the original or a very good picture. And then, and another is impossible without the participation of employees in the production of counterfeit Russian Museum. Russian Museum hastened to deny accusations Vasilyeva , releasing in 2012 an emotional press release stating that " Paris Cafe " Grigorieva could easily copy to the funds' revenues . Painting , the report said , came to the museum in 1984 with the rest of the collection Boris Okuneva . That, in turn, bought it in 1946 in an antique shop . The fate of any fabric from 1913 to 1946 , or after a meeting Okuneva unknown, assured in the museum, but they do it just could not copy anybody . " What is the reason of such active pursuit of Mr. Vasiliev compromise Russian Museum ? The reason can be seen only in one. In violation of the usual order , he first gained supposedly true picture B. Grigorieva , and only then attended to her professional study. In general, these collectors and antique dealers do the opposite . If you do not check the picture before the purchase - blame yourself ! "- Then wrote Vasilyev museum administration in a press release .

"All that said Vassiliev, working on the theory that she [ Elena Basner ] , as a member of the Russian Museum and having access to the same things , participated in some way in the creation of a fake and then it subsided . I did not admit the possibility that Elena Veniaminovna could somehow participate in such . To speak on expert error, we must know the situation better . But the work of the Russian Museum and the work Vasilyevskaya differ from that picture , which was published in the catalog Burceva . I'm guessing ( just guessing ) that she thought it options, " - says Tatiana Lewin .

Collector constantly reminded that in 1986, Russian Museum was a catalog of the collection Okuneva , which briefly described (not pictured) work Grigorieva " Parisian cafe ." According to Vasilyev , the author of the foreword and one of the drafters was Elena Basner , and he wondered how she could not learn in the film " Restaurant " is the most " Parisian cafe ." However, in 2012 , deputy director of the Russian Museum Yevgeny Petrov claimed that " while still a young officer Elena Basner " had no relation to the directory or to the graphics part of the exhibition , which was timed catalog : all those involved in art Elena Selizarova . The " Paris Cafe " listing Selizarova tagged as a possible version.



Now Russian museum tries to distance himself from the case Basner . February 4 , when art was already in jail , the museum administration completely disown any connection with it , " Elena Basner Veniaminovna since 2003 does not work in the Russian Museum and never had it the status of an expert , the more the international level", - according to a press release from the museum. In addition, it emphasizes that the June 8, 2011 issued an opinion on Vasilyev inauthenticity painting " restaurant ", and in the museum since 1985 (sic! - approx. " Heathcliff ") is stored , the " Paris Cafe ", " and its authenticity is not in doubt . " According to relatives Basner , the Russian Museum to not feed her warm feelings , since she was "strongly brighter" all others. Basner really considered an expert world-class unlike many former colleagues from the Russian Museum .

Critics acknowledge that mistakes happen at any experts . But collectors and spoke earlier about possible errors Basner in connection with completely different works. So , and Basner , Russian experts and museum recognized script work Saryan " View of Mount Ararat ." Granddaughter of the artist presented the opposite Ruzan examination. Court heard the case refused to consider its analysis . A Vasiliev now hinting that in the case of fraud with Grigoriev more than one episode. " And by the way , why do you think that in just one episode ? " - He asks.

The whole history of the painting Grigorieva known mainly from the perspective of Vasiliev , Russian Museum and outside experts - art . Elena herself Basner throughout the investigation with the media almost never talked . In 2011 , she told "Kommersant" that pleased the beginning of the investigation and is interested in this story objectively understood. Then she commented on the situation journalist " Fontanki.ru " who asked : " Do we understand that you say that painting sold you Vasilyev , authentic , and at the Russian Museum - a fake ? " Basner said smskoy : " This is a very simplified , primitive version, and I would very much like most voice that I could say about it . If it's so urgent, then, alas , without me. And I'll leave the right to comment on your story . I want to clarify that any comments now about your existing versions do not give . Sincerely . " A year later, Basner to comment this same publication refused, sending journalists to his lawyer .
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Vasiliev opposed to before the end of the proceedings art was in jail. "I really want to see Basner free and meet her in court," - he says. Collector support more than a thousand people signed the petition for the release of Basner . Stood up for the art historian and director of the Hermitage Mikhail Piotrovsky . "I think that is an insult to the entire intelligentsia . Such measures , when a woman humanitarian profession jailed - it spit the entire intelligentsia of Russia " , - he said.

Anna Popova

K-Maler 06.02.2014 02:41

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Petrov said watercolor on TV. And she showed both work really looks like . Today, at eleven o'clock .

Not watercolor, tempera soon , so even on primed paper on cardboard (not jarred . But some have called a manner as before : all water-based paints - watercolor ... Just some of the areas more diluted with water and have a view of contemporary watercolors. But propisi visible surface and a thick layer .
Furthermore Grigoryev and canvases in many cases the temperature , it is always brighter oil paints, varnish wipe especially if ...

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Bourtsev published black-and- white photo canvases in his periodical " My Journal for the few ."

So what basis ?

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In world practice, such groups reveal arresting counterfeiters (preferably in the act ) . Here is another purpose - to scare experts may - Museum. That's when the manufacturer falshaka take several such "

The artist in this case was ordered copy. How to use it , he could not know. Make copies of museum multitudes ( to watercolor , for example does not fade ) , it is generally common museum practice . Only in the case of all legitimate recorded in museum Act.
Here it is unclear what size and technology, it is not in our watercolor understood today .

AlexSpb 06.02.2014 09:37

I would venture to make a small , but specific predictions:
If still preserved at least some opportunity to pull this thing " on the brakes ", it will soon be done , now to the full satisfaction of all participants stories .

Such views are not accepted waving and I do not aspire to this , but still not the first day live in the world and I easily discouraged that there is light at the nation painfully related to the fact that someone can " jump on " their in matters of sale ( so vaguely written <! - ~ 1 ~ -> !) . Well , perhaps, needless to say, criminal methods to address such issues to the practice of these people have no relationship.

So, opponents of Mr. Vasiliev certainly miscalculated in assessing its capabilities , including financial . As to the possibilities of these could say at least they mention the name Schuster (I wonder anyone could boast that more than a entree in this family ?) .
And now, if they are not complete idiots , realizing that miscalculated must admit defeat and return completely Vasiliev spent their money at the big picture , so even with a significant excess on the moral costs and attracting and Bastrykina company.

After that will be raffled off with the return of the show Lena Basner allegedly acquired a small fraction of her , of course , with tears and the sale of all of its real estate <! - ~ 1 ~ -> . Then the noble and not characterized bloodthirstiness Vasiliev declare himself fully satisfied justice is done , Basner get off probation and , to everyone's joy participants , all finally over .

Кирилл Сызранский 06.02.2014 09:43

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So what basis?

Cardboard same.

Vladimir 06.02.2014 09:45

Irina Waqar, Dmitry Hankin, Andrey Vasilyev and Milena Orlova discuss the situation
 
Irina Waqar , Dmitry Hankin , Andrey Vasilyev and Milena Orlova discuss charges.

[SPOILER] Source: http://tvrain.ru/articles/mongajt_su...kartin-362077/

Mongait : I have a general question to you , which I would like to ask each of you to answer . As you consider whether to blame Elena Basner ? Because today , I know , a petition was made public on the museum staff , Moscow and St. Petersburg . Piotrowski signed it .

Waqar : I think what she is accused , that is of assistance in the manufacture of fake paintings , absolutely unreal accusation. I think even a fairly absurd . But maybe this is a bug expert, which , generally speaking, he is entitled. That I can not exclude yet.

Mongait : How to distinguish false from fraud examination ?

Waqar : Knowingly False examination when the expert knows what this thing is , for example, made ​​it to a friend yesterday . Another thing, if he was fascinated by , or under the influence of some kind of emotional perception (maybe wrong ) it does not verify the provenance of the painting does not check her age, does not compare with known samples , especially if it is , we assume variations of the same composition. Then of course he is guilty, but it is not a deliberate deception , is an expert mistake.

Mongait Dmitry , do you think?

Hankin : There are formal signs in this case , which is unlikely to allow the blame Elena Basner Veniaminovna all mortal sins . It was not a party to the transaction . Since it is impossible to ask for it, she did not get the money , it seems. Either he brokered .

Mongait : The mediator may not be an interested party ?

Hankin : Mediator - the interested party . The question is whether it was party to the transaction . If so, how deep . I, too, now when we look at this story , it seems that all sewn with white thread . I heard about this story a year ago. We shortstop Vasilyev , our world is very small. But in any case, the person did not commit a violent crime , is unlikely to have to languish in the dungeon , there are other ways .

Mongait : You know, today it has redirected the home. It will house arrest.

Hankin : At least , it somehow looks like something .

Mongait : I would like to give the floor to Andrey Vasilyev. Andrew , hello , can you hear us ?

Vasilyev : Yes , I hear good evening. I am ready to answer your questions .

Mongait : That's great . Let's join .

Vasilyev : As I side of the process and the victim , I certainly believe that Elena Basner blame, but its share of guilt - because the whole story was accomplished group of individuals - can only be determined at the end of the investigation in court. Maybe she is guilty by 5%, maybe more . But certainly not 100 %. And though she is not the first violin . There are other people who are the main party. This is the first circumstance . What I would like to mention? I heard that someone from respected experts said that it is accused of making fake . That's not true . She has not been accused of making fake . She is accused that she was a participant of the chain . She was not an expert , you know what it is. Expert gives his expert opinion. Elena Veniaminovna called Mr. Shumakov and said that there is a wonderful picture of Grigorieva Leningrad good collection of old , where there are some wonderful paintings Grigorieva , and asked him whether he had a buyer for this picture. But only on condition that he did not disclose its participation in this . If it is called "expertise" , gentlemen , then Roma in the street who sell singed obviously also experts .

Hankin : So , what I'm telling you.

Vasilyev : This is the first . Second: Elena Veniaminovna received money . And there was an interesting story. Mr. Shumakov got all quite a large sum , it happened on July 11 at 12 noon. And already somewhere in 13.00 man named Aranson, which we figure remains enigmatic figure slightly virtual ( no one has ever seen , do not know it exists or not , assume that it is) , received 180 thousand dollars. 70 thousand dollars melted on the road with the Petrograd side in the city center . There's just go, but they disappeared . During this time the money was in the hands of two people - and SHumakova Basner . There was nobody else . I learned about the participation of Ms. Basner and a half years only. I do not know in what capacity while Ms. Basner took part in it : as an expert ? No. She participated as a secret member of a certain chain. I do not want to be unfounded , you can open the program " Man and Law " for October 6, 2011 . There's all said Shumakov and Basner lawyer says : "She did not act here as an expert , it was just the seller's representative ."

Mongait : Why did not you pursue Seller paintings and pursue it ? Why it is now under investigation ?

Vasilyev : I wrote a letter to the Estonian police. What does " stalking "? I did not pursue . I figured out the truth. I'm not arrested Ms. Basner , arrested her Investigative Committee . Note that last four years. All four years I act only in the legal field . I'm writing some application , I go to court , because the investigation of the district level hides documents not bring them to court , we accuse them of illegal omissions. We won , I think , five processes on illegal inaction ! Blame Elena Basner . I tried to solve the matter through civil proceedings . I filed a lawsuit to Mr. Shumakov in the hope that it will be then issue preclusion , and we can pay recourse to Ms. Basner . Do you think these gentlemen came to the court at least once ? They never came to court , never explain. You've heard the explanation once Ms. Basner for three years? I read with astonishment now on the internet after making calls to their authors to the fact that Ms. Basner should be free. I join . But why all these people were not asked four years Ms. Basner , and how you can deceive a person for such a sum , to sell fake , has just come out with an expertise center Grabar , and walk around the city , to be quite rukopozhatnoy , be a world expert ? How to think in the plane of the intelligentsia , and the decency to do it all ?

Mongait : Have you heard the version that Ms. Basner pursues mafia because of its sensational invention, which is allegedly criminal life collapses the whole clan engaged in forgery ? I can not articulate this question, because today I have heard many times about this , read the text in which this situation can be explained in this way.

Vasilyev : There is a parallel story , there are all sorts of paraotrasli , parascience . First, this whole method is called , very unclean.

Mongait : Let us recall that this method associated with the discovery of isotopes in the works since 1945 , related to the nuclear tests .

Vasilyev : If I have the opportunity not in a transmission format and in written format , write and give examples of fantastic blunders that can be evaluated as an error of this method or as deliberately deceitful actions . I wonder one thing . Just yesterday, my friend told me that he was offered in the Russian Museum to try this method , and co-author Ms. Basner , Mr. Krusanov , quietly came to the Russian Museum , where work has been put someone else and there her manipulated . I think it's more likely still persecution aliens Ms. Basner .

Mongait : How do you think why did it now Investigative Committee responded to your claim ?

Vasilyev : First, because I am what is called , the last boy scout . I set myself a challenge: to find out the truth in this story. I absolutely do not want to put Ms. Basner , believe me. When a person spits in your face for three years , I want to understand why he does it. I understand that she is an intelligent person , but hardly the only reason . I acted according to the law . First of all , I talked to her . She told me : " See you in court." I am a straightforward man . I went to the police in police custody for two weeks had a scan and said: " Here the point is clear, clean water is a scam . Farmazonstvo . " And all sent in consequence . And in consequence kidding me throughout the year. And I gave them to court . Water wears away the stone . I wrote a letter Medinsky because clear to me how it all happened . Medinsky has had a letter , obviously, some action : Well , let's institute proceedings . Case filed , police handed over to GSM . And it zalesh " gasoline " using kakih-nibud petitions, complaints , it works , while " petrol " is not going to end , then it goes to sleep . Everything is there sufficient grounds to refer the matter to court. But since they have suspended it , I saw in the newspaper (it is the story of a film, how to live correctly) announcement that takes Bastrikin citizens. Signed up , got to the reception , told this story .

Mongait : a Miracle .

Vasiliev But miracles do happen . I swear , without cronyism got there .

Mongait : I have one last question to you . Fakes on the market Russian avant-garde meet not just regularly, and more than regularly. Why do you think in this case it was possible to have a case for an art critic for the intermediary transaction ? Why these cases is so surprising enough?

Vasilyev : Forget the word "expert" . She did not speak here as an expert. Please.

Mongait : Even in the case of intermediaries in transactions involving counterfeit works.

Vasilyev : Explain. None of this would not have happened if not for one thing : a job that is in the Russian Museum , never exhibited , never been played , she got to the store Russian Museum and lay there . Now I'll tell you an interesting thing : when I bought it at SHumakova you remember that he did not utter the name of Basner , he uttered the name of General Timofeev , whom I knew well, this doctor - psychiatrist . But he said the name Savanovich Julia . She really saw this picture in Basner . She is curator of drawings. She did not know that this thing has in her department . Basner - let's believe it , I want to believe her , I am very sorry and sympathize with - did not know too. Moreover, Tamara Galeeva , the author of a monograph on Grigoriev , which made it just in the 2000s , came to St. Petersburg. She provided by the inventory and catalog all the drawings and paintings Grigorieva . She was not given the job. This kind of mysticism , you know ! About this job nobody knew or associated with this work, a mysterious story. I have no explanation for this . Basner thus described the job. Whatever she may say there , I saw something documents . Cyrus B. Okuneva before his death was a detailed list of all the works of his father , along with a collection Levitin . This list all things were to be transferred to the Russian Museum . Took them from the Russian Museum Basner and people with the surname type Ignatenko , restorer ( something like that ) . I'll tell you that no one heard : Filonov "Hunters " from the same collection appeared on the market over time. Is now in St Petersburg's famous meeting. I know who sold it . You too can guess .

Mongait : This is a dangerous accusation. Especially in ether.

Vasilyev : Yes ? I express it . Another charge . From the same collection Lebedev, which I offered to buy Leonid Shumakov . This is not an accusation . About all these facts to me was the statement separately . But because many years have passed , and that, fifth - tenth , one will not do it . I'll do it. I'll write a little book or something like that .

Mongait : You have heard that said Andrey Vasilyev .

Waqar : I heard . Several reasons I can think of . First of all , ever heard " made ​​examination , it appeared that it was a fake ." Where this examination ? Who did it ? Very dear Grabar Center ? You know how many times I have as an expert opinion at odds with the center Grabar ? You know how many times we happened that chemists center Grabar find any titanium dioxide , and our chemists are not . Other equipment , and there is not. I have not seen that picture , which was bought by Andrey Vasilyev . He said , in my opinion , completely unacceptable in the tone of the method , which has developed Andriy Krusanov , highly respected art historian, rarest , who created the " History of the Russian avant-garde" , which we now use as a first reference. I do not understand in chemistry and physics , let me forgive , but I look like an expert at work, and if I doubt it, or vice versa, do not doubt it, and say that it must be attributed to Krusanov , I never there was no case to divergent views . It's just my experience . If Andrey Vasilyev knows the case when we are together with Krusanov confirmed some gaffe , as he says , that he will present it to me . I find it very interesting , because I use other methods of examination. I work mostly in the team, with his colleagues , and I assure you that it somehow , perhaps miraculously , but absolutely confirms our intuition.

Mongait : You are talking about the method . A charge that pushes against Vasiliev Elena Basner ?

Waqar : I can not speak on the merits , when I saw two pictures next - painting , which he had bought , and a picture that is in the Russian Museum. For us , the museum staff , the most important method , the only true method - to put things close . While it is not until there is a constant secrecy , reticence . We do not see even the examination , actually . Who signed expertise as an art ? I do not know . Where such art , which we can take a word , it's a fake ?

Mongait : This does not say here , but later examination was made by the Russian Museum . Apparently , the comparative examination of the two works. How this scandal discredits Institute experts and museum system?

Waqar : He can not discredit the museum system. Just before I go to you, we speculated with colleagues, if we have all the expert community . Most likely, it is not.

Mongait : discredit nothing.

Waqar : Experts are very fragmented . Everyone lives their own, except, perhaps , of our department , a group that works together . And basically , the experts - strange people . Sometimes it is very respected person , of whom you know , love , appreciate , and which do you think is a lovely man , suddenly making expertise. You read it and think: " No, I think quite differently ." There must be some special talent , some special responsibility , some special intuition, even mood. Sometimes it happens that one expert a good mood it seems that this original, but in a bad mood - it seems fake.

Mongait : It's catastrophic recognition , no?

Hankin : No, why? Normal recognition. We are faced with this .

Mongait : For the same cost huge sums of money.

Hankin : Usually. Nothing to worry about.

Mongait : Like " nothing wrong "?

Hankin : What to do now ?

Waqar : Because apart from expert opinion is necessary to know the provenance of all these technological times . And do not spend one examination , but several different methods.

Hankin : Agree with this. Buyer must be careful . This is taught from the beginning. And do not take anything for granted. But I know Vasilyeva ago, he was a man very meticulous, very simply . As a man , the victim at different times from different injustices , I do not think it is driven by the desire of some bloodthirsty seat . No, of course . This is a story about the struggle for justice. I'm sure he was trying to resolve this out of court, not leading to the investigation.

Mongait : But there 's the problem of irresponsibility experts?

Hankin : We have agreed not to pass on personalities .

Mongait : I'm not suggesting you should switch personalities .

Hankin : there are mistakes , there are deliberate skimping true.

Waqar : Sometimes the expert makes a mistake when he feels very confident.

Mongait : Or in a bad mood , I already knew .

Hankin : In the terrible catastrophe fall very confident drivers .

Mongait : I would like to join our conversation Milena Orlova , chief editor of the authoritative art edition The Art Newspaper Russia, and to hear her opinion as a disinterested party.

Hankin : We're not interested .

Mongait : You still expert, you gallerist and Andrey Vasilyev - the victim .

Orlov : I have , unfortunately, can not see , I hope you see me . Good evening. We tested all the time articles about what is happening in the art world , the constant scandals associated with counterfeiting. Very long stretches scandal with such a lady named Glaphira Rosales , who managed somehow to deceive so many experts. I did not hear the beginning of your discussion , but I stand firm on the fact that there is such a thing as a mistake, but not a criminal . Indeed, everyone can make mistakes. The saddest thing is that even questioned the profession expert.

Hankin : Unaffected .

Waqar : It can not be subjected .

Orlov : I believe that even if the judge made ​​a mistake , and even if wrong by design , anyway, he is an expert. It's such a special profession , such people are very few who understand anything in the art , to be honest . This " piece goods ".

Hankin : I do not agree with what sounded from the lips of Milena , because I want all of you to return to the conversation Vasilyeva that it was not an expert error . It 's not the point . It's about business expert.



























How much ? No one knows.







Everything is possible .















Clear.

Кирилл Сызранский 06.02.2014 10:00

Throughout this unpleasant and difficult history , Mr. Vasiliev looks " white " : he just - he says truth. Tells it like it is. And, of course , his insistence on this matter in an amicable and even surprised me personally admires.

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