Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1006352)

I've heard similar already ...
That Russians are buying Toyota and Mercedes, and our Zhuguli-no ...
Where are the poor Russian auto go?
:D
"Support local producers, comrades!
He hit the race off-road, sloppiness and lack of bureaucracy. (C) :D
West Hurst "No, no, no!"
Our Tyryshkina-"Yes, yes, yes!"

Please, Cyril, do not attribute to me what I did not say.

Postulate that the dealers and gallery owners are set to expand overseas market, objections, I hope not cause?
Otherwise, why go to the Uruguayan gallery in Maastricht, where she focused exclusively on the local market? Practice gains market share (or as it is called in Russian, I do not know) - a thing, I think, fairly well known.

And do not bring me an example of Chinese, Indian, Arab artists - they are not autochthonous unraveled and the Americans. I was thinking, Russia simply out of luck again: nothing particularly brilliant in the Russian contemporary art, I do not see, but it is not worse than the above (and many others).
Another thing - many times I watched that the Russian people want to get rich by signing a single deal. Suing - the most fantastic rates (see page Pavlik can not remember on what site). We can assume that the Chinese, etc. were more moderate in their claims.

I'm probably an incorrigible optimist, I'm sure that time will put everything into place, and that Russia will present great artists who gain international acceptance. And yet, I think it is important not to close their eyes to the situation at present.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1006392)

And to him that "the Russian domestic market, only the money needed for" getting up on its feet?
Brushes not on what to buy paint?
:D

But he, too, on my knees? :)

Well, anyway, I always believed that the existence of the market must not only supply but demand. Am I wrong?

Enlighten me, I will be grateful to you.

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 1006492)

Please, Cyril, do not attribute to me what I did not say.

And I just you do not ascribe to, and write: "I've heard similar already ..."
There is a difference.
Yes, I such I heard long ago:
"To catch up and surpass America", "The current generation of Soviet people will live under communism," "Every citizen of the USSR-contained flat in 2000, and now we're talking about the 65th (!!!) anniversary of Victory World War II veterans each separate apartment by May 9.
It was from these slogans (or "to deceive") and such "national projects" with the program until 2015 year and I shied away.

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 1006492)

Well, anyway, I always believed that the existence of the market must not only supply but demand. I was wrong?

The State must ensure that Spaws.
A new national project? "Every Russian painting by Russian artist in a separate apartment until 2020?

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 1006492)

And do not bring me an example of Chinese, Indian, Arab artists

I will not, I mean they do not know.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1006512)

The State must ensure that Spaws?

In fact, it would be great if the same Pinchuk to equal with Hirst, Koons, etc. paid to little more attention, and its domestic Hood. but something that he is already doing in this direction. I think that many of the panelists talking about it, wanted to say it.

SAH, Pinchuk, a private person, does his uvlecheniempublichno.
To buy something, spending money to show interesting, in his view, in his private gallery.
He is someone that has?

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Сообщение от SAH (Сообщение 1006552)

I think that many of the panelists talking about it, wanted to say it.

Give us a little money? So?
Buy from us?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzranskiy (Сообщение 1006572)

It is to decide what should?

But the state it should? I do not say should say it would be cool even then. State and is also from such as he. Softly say so. :)

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Сообщение от SAH (Сообщение 1006612)

Well, it should state?

State, the officials and service people to whom society has entrusted to engage in certain activities: keeping order inside the country and protect it from attack from outside.
Everything.
The rest makes the society itself.
Well, we, after all, the whole state.
Rubbish, I'm sorry, in the entrance of the state should remove ...

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Сообщение от SAH (Сообщение 1006612)

State and is the number of such as he.

Society, not the state.

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Actually it would be great if the same Pinchuk to equal with Hirst, Koons, etc. paid a little more attention to its domestic and thin.

This is strange advice. If you said gave money to schools drawing children, I would have understood. And so abstract. How contemporary native artists must pay attention to? Who decides?
And if he had not bought a modern western, but like Gauguin and Monet. To him be all the modern claims presented? Hearst would be offended?

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Well, we, after all, the whole state.
Rubbish, I'm sorry, in the entrance of the state should remove ...

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Well, if society is possible.
And then - show a "society" initiative, and the state was quickly determined to doinitsiativnoe state. :mad:

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 1006652)

It's strange advice. If you said gave money to schools drawing children, I would have understood. And so abstract. How contemporary native artists must pay attention to? Who decides?

I do not use the word modern. My beliefs in the affected us gaze on match of artist A. Roitburd here below, he said

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Сообщение от gans (Сообщение 601276)

Today there are many diverse opinions heard in the address Pinchuk Art Center, exhibition policy is becoming more specific. How do you feel about this institution, you're standing at the very beginning of its creation ... All I get, as intended, and if not, why not?
Somehow, I always tried to correctly pronounce on the Pinchuk Art Centre, on the assumption that addiction Victor Pinchuk - this is his personal business and his private law, since the center private. If he wanted the money to open a center to train pigs to play the piano, he would have had this right. But more and more the center moves away from those expectations, which I personally with him. Therefore, again, my personal claims may be illegal, but I also have a right to them, like Mr. Pinchuk in his position. I still think that the mission to which we originally called Pinchuk-assemble, akademizirovat, muzeefitsirovat, or, as would Groys, "valorizirovat" Ukrainian art of the past 20-25 years, this task is more urgent and more pressing for Ukrainian art today, I do not see. It is not just failed, but goes farther and farther to marginez. And when this was discussed at all required sum sootnocimaya to the one in which the cost this barn with zaspirtovanny-mi predators of the underwater world in the courtyard of the Arena. Invested so much money in bubbles such as Hirst. Yes, it is emblematic artist of the late 20-early 21 th century, but this does not exclude the fact that he is a bubble, like a pyramid Meydoffa. And do not invest even a 5-10 per cent of that to a disorganized, demoralized the artistic process of Ukraine to establish systematic, documented, meaningful and appreciated world-wide phenomenon - it is, on the wording of the Criminal Code, "gross negligence". By the way, maybe my words offended by Alexander Soloviev, but ever since he started working at the Pinchuk Art Centre, the Ukrainian art as a process as a kind of wholeness, which is permanently looking in the mirror successive large-scale projects, and in this format developed - poduvyalo. Yes, Solovyov, finally got a decent job, but it was in bondage. And the alternative to this person, even with some of its shortcomings, I do not see. Although, if only because only he could write a competent history of modern Ukrainian art.

But why is it not Solovyov wrote?
Several years ago one of the visiting curators Pinchuk Art Centre presented Solovyov claim: "You want to write its own history of art." But unlike France, whence came this man, in Ukraine there is no written history of modern art. Contemporary art in our country there is in the format of the oral tradition. Like Akhmatova said, "we live in doguttenbergovskuyu era. And so, even if Soloviev and did not want to write its own history of modern Ukrainian art, it is "before God and history" is simply obliged to do so. It is his duty. Like, perhaps, the duty Pinchuk - provide Solovyov this possibility, although
Of course, Victor M. - a man of some other world, and may not understand. What Soloviev put in such condition that it can not now exercise their right and duty to write this story - minus the center Pinchuk.
I think that if today someone suggested minimum organizational and material conditions, and said: Write the story, it would have been. Looks like no one ever need.

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Сообщение от Marta (Сообщение 1006722)

Well, if society is possible.
And then - show a "society" initiative, and the state was quickly determined to doinitsiativnoe state. :mad:

If the society consists of "sheep", then so be it.

They're coming sheep and beat the drums and skins on the drums give yourself sheep. (c) :D