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Posav 03.02.2011 19:33

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Сообщение от "Seriy (Сообщение 1509841)
I have more than 800 (!) Requests the price of different works, mind, it is even difficult to understand-

So are the other onlookers clicked artists and watch prices.

Seriy 03.02.2011 20:21

Cyril Syzransky, stuffing it is not necessary to scroll back and forth can be, and in different directions! :-)
 Gallery (dealer) receives an artist with a definite, albeit little known in a very narrow circle of a certain number of 300-500 jobs. It is understandable that he would write more and, at least the same quality. Next do differently:
1. Sites performing only representational functions. All sales are made through the gallery. In this case, the gallery has a contract with the artist that the gallery WARRANT (EM pays, regardless of actual sales), the artist a certain fee, and terminate the independent artist sales, just saving up unsold work.
2. Undertaken by the local artist, local sales, the gallery works on the foreign market - so running Murakami, Japan's all sales through its own portal Kaikai Kiki, and the rest of the territory - only through accredited gallery.
3. Option is the most incredible, yet in the history meets-dealer agrees to repurchase at a certain price for 1 sq. m absolutely everything the author and disposes of them as he wishes.

While I was offered only two options for cooperation:
1. Bring us your work and let them we are, suddenly, someone will sell.
2. Sell us work twice as cheap, but prices pick up twice. In this case, no volume purchases gallery is not guaranteed.
 Both versions are totally blind and hardly anyone interesting, IMHO.

And these three options seems not to our country, once every now and popular, widely promoted artists decide to exhibit and sell themselves, without galleries.

Fed 03.02.2011 20:52

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Сообщение от Seriy; 1510041"
1. Bring us your work and let them we are, suddenly, someone will sell.
Both versions are totally blind and hardly anyone interesting, IMHO.

It's retail. Provider tries to interest-who. On the contrary, only if it is star-a giant in his field.

Especially, when an excess of suppliers ... Therefore, the version 1 is not a dead end, and the standard. Just providers also try to find the best retailer. The problem that the dealer knows that he is the best. And well it should be too much interested.

You can, of course, only the most korobeynichat. Some have succeeded, like Gapchinskaya. But the analogy it is not enough. In the bulk shipping remains solely with the factory (workshop) in the hands of the consumer.

Кирилл Сызранский 03.02.2011 21:25

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Сообщение от Seriy; 1510041"
stuffing it is not necessary to scroll back and forth can be, and in different directions!

So I'm about the same.
Options are. I just seen their range limited.
And yet. That's all - your business, your decisions. I advise you not to give, I once answered some questions from the participants. No more. :)

Seriy 03.02.2011 21:35

Fed, in the modern world turns out an interesting situation, if the artist is inexpensive, and it is hard to earn their daily bread and galleries are not interested to cooperate with him. If an artist is my dear, he is a little interesting gallery, with 10-30 thousand dollars he would sell himself, not every day. If an artist is very expensive, then he creates a structure to coordinate trade and presentations.

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Cyril Syzransky, yeah, we totally have it moved.
Can ask the admins to separate piece, which went from private to general and move there?

Кирилл Сызранский 03.02.2011 21:39

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Сообщение от "Seriy (Сообщение 1510161)
If an artist is my dear, he is a little interesting gallery, with 10-30 thousand dollars he would sell himself, not every day.

Become expensive artist only through the exhibition.
The Internet will not become expensive.

GalARTA 03.02.2011 21:45

Seriy, Views of me and true enough, but I have them too on all parties not to give out.
Here are select in Kiev - where we'll talk.
:)

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 1509501)
You are" painted "on the internet, you can not look like the" discovery ": all of your path as you described in detail in this forum, you are not a mystery, your promotion is not intrigue.
Maybe it does not attract "gallerists and dealers."

Absolutely agree. If the artist began to move through the Seba not, the galleries, he is no longer needed - no one will invest in the controversial project - want to make sure that you make a name and it will not run away from you, and will generate revenue, otherwise why spend the money. Otherwise, it's patronage - a completely different idea.

NATA NOVA 03.02.2011 22:03

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Сообщение от Seriy (Сообщение 1509191)
Secondly, I draw it and portrait sketches, tons of e learning. Orders for portraits come to me from time to time, I explains that I have no experience or, more precisely, the experience is insufficient to receive orders. So I am trained in the portrait, too. I'm transforming a model's face here and there, looking out of this turns out. For example, the same model that looked at the birds, now in another form altogether. I draw and face painters.

Change the methodology and all will turn out much (an order of magnitude) faster.

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Сообщение от IV (Сообщение 1509671)
Here it is in light of the creative process the artist or even the fact of his presence in the forum? The latter may also adversely affect the interest of dealers?

I mean, the artist is better not to keep a low profile with their opinion, being a kind of terra incognita? (This, of course about the artist, in general, not about a particular. A serious question you raised, Cyril)

IV, as they say: "Once upon a time is not necessary."!
Strategy (as well as individual artists) are unique. In dnogo-one; at each other ... No repeat or copy and can not be (and is not necessary).
set goals, listen to inner voice and get satisfaction from the process .. Do not be tied to the result .. (He comes, will not nedetsya!) ..
For all sailing past the options hyvatatsya not stoit.Tolko for those that satisfy (the creature) entirely!

GalARTA 04.02.2011 13:49

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Сообщение от Seriy; 1509031"
GalARTA, thank you very much for your kind words and professional advice!

I understand your sarcasm and share the same frustration I see, but artbiznese, as in any business, no place for empathy, compassion, understanding - there is only market, financial interests, and someone's ambitions. So never say as an artist hard to live, how much are canvas and paint - it is your own business. This Dealer - always a player! As it was not bad, he says that all in chocolate. If you can not secure a life paintings - go to work anywhere, even in school, but does not reduce the price and never say you did it for the money. The business world likes only successful and confident people. Maybe this is why artists and can not promote themselves - they have a lot of human, warm, valuable and present. Hide it all or not to sell a couple of years - this will create intrigue! If you do not change the situation radically, it will be for life to sell the paintings for $ 250. Sorry for the harshness and directness. But for pity does not go far - you and many young artists need mechanisms of action, rather than moaning and sighing.

MarinaM 04.02.2011 17:29

Rigidly GalARTA. You tried to survive with such approaches in a real business! I am afraid that our dear artdillery made our art market a few elite - not available for all, and then express your surprise why people are not interested in real art.
A real business for the consumer (buyer) are struggling. Including reduced prices.

You know, give you an example. One very famous winemaker in Italy. Wines that have a lot of awards and high ratings of experts in each milleziume not specifically raise the prices of some wines (highly valued), assuming that it is not very wealthy people also should drink good wine ...

Кирилл Сызранский 04.02.2011 17:35

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Сообщение от MarinaM (Сообщение 1511471)
why people are not interested in real art.

The "people" are not interested in art, not because of the high prices for works of this art on the art market.
Interested in - it does not buy it - go to museums and exhibitions, to know the history of art at least his country.

GalARTA 04.02.2011 17:38

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 1511491)
The" people "are not interested in art, not because of the high prices

think so too. Art of never was and never will be popular. Even in museums go, I guess 10 percent at best. But buying art altogether units - a fact of life.)

MarinaM 04.02.2011 17:47

Cyril, you believe that we do not go to exhibitions?
Queue in a museum is much longer than in selling the picture, and about the asking price, even fear.

And those who buy from you pictures, they go on the show?

Кирилл Сызранский 04.02.2011 17:53

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Сообщение от MarinaM (Сообщение 1511551)
Do you think that we do not go to exhibitions?

Very, very small, and the queue instance, you can watch only at weekends or on some very much hit the exhibition at the Pushkin once a year or two. I can turn back at least within the last 5 years, counted on the fingers of one hand.
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Сообщение от MarinaM (Сообщение 1511551)
And those who bought from you the pictures, they go on the show?

They not only walk, they organize exhibitions, participate in the release of albums, etc.

GalARTA 04.02.2011 17:53

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Сообщение от "MarinaM (Сообщение 1511471)
Hard GalARTA.
You tried to survive with such approaches in a real business!

Are you on any real business judging?


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