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Sehfir 19.03.2015 15:09

mcshan, simpler still:) Now the market of painting in Russia has every chance to fall. So? The market was falling. So? Profitable to sell, because tomorrow it will be cheaper. So? What is not clear?:)

Wladzislaw 19.03.2015 18:39

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Сообщение от Sehfir (Сообщение 3409181)
Profitably sell, because tomorrow it will be cheaper. So? What is not clear?

Not clear why you think that investing when others think of these actions as about minimizing losses.

Sehfir 19.03.2015 22:20

[QUOTE=Wladzislaw;3409311]'t understand why you think that investing when others think of these actions as about minimizing obydov@
A couple of years in Russia the market of painting will probably be on the bottom. The time will come for investors to buy. For what? What would ever conventionally "tomorrow" -to sell more expensive:) And today is the time to sell for those who bought yesterday:) I'm not about collectors talking, but investors. Those who sell today, tomorrow will have good opportunities to buy anything. Maybe gold, for example:)

kazerov 19.03.2015 22:48

...when tomorrow comes...
on this subject a lot of opinions from today to tomorrow never comes...

Wladzislaw 20.03.2015 00:28

Apparently, it's time to say exactly - Sehfir, you talking shit without a clue about the subject.

Vladimir 18.11.2015 13:25

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Сообщение от Fedor (Сообщение 3604431)
that's the thing that when you think you need to be baptized. With oil everything is clear... I understand that the sixties failed oil))

I will heed your wise advice. And with interest to listen to your opinion about investment prospects.
Only consolation is that one beaten two unbeaten give.

Vladimir 18.11.2015 15:48

[QUOTE="Fed;3605271"]But it's amusing to read tips seven years davnosti@
Try reading Newspapers years ago - there's a lot of interesting and failing. Life was much less predictable. But I think that the people who bought the art in accordance with our expectations, not bankrupt, not upset, have received aesthetic pleasure, learned something, adjusted the priorities that should be sold, and anything bought.

Vladimir 26.11.2015 16:16

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Сообщение от Fedor (Сообщение 3604351)
I liked a post from 2008 about oil 200))) the paintings were worth a million?))

Got a detailed answer to the question: http://artinvestment.ru/invest/analy...6_prognoz.html

Vladimir 01.12.2015 17:38

[QUOTE="Аркадий;3617631"]I as conservative and retrograde, it is encouraging to see such results, there still some no painting, almost a classic, not just colored squares and strips or even empty RAM@
In my opinion, on the contrary the result is strange. Beautiful, but a late thing. And not quite what I particularly appreciated Plavinsky.

Vladimir 08.12.2015 14:05

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Сообщение от Кирилл Syzran (Сообщение 3622621)
whatever they said

She's alive was very good. Those who came to us, clicked their tongues

Vladimir 11.01.2016 17:35

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Сообщение от Кирилл Syzran (Сообщение 3644321)
Opening are ongoing and often new authors appeared, seems like only yesterday, already go to the secondary market and at auction escapes them things periodically update their personal records.

Discoveries happen, but you have to be very careful. I the corner of my eye looking at the auction market of works Jacob Kessy. In 2012 it was the brightest star of the generation under 30 years old. http://artinvestment.ru/invest/ratin...er_thirty.html the Artist interesting, memorable things, support an impressive gallery. But. In 2011, working height 1.2 meters cost about $ 200,000. And in 2014-2015, - about 100 000 @ - $ 130,000. That's fine too - indicates a relatively healthy situation. And yet confirms that "взлет rocket" for investment in young stars is not guaranteed. On the other hand in the relatively recent times of the same Banksy was worth nothing and many aroused more irritation. And now over 250 000 @- 500 000 easily.

Vladimir 11.01.2016 18:34

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Сообщение от Кирилл Syzran (Сообщение 3645061)
Here, as with investing in startups - will Fund ten, one shot and pay it off. Only instead of nine unsuccessful parts of the project, you have the work of nine young artists who may shoot later.

Several years ago we took the first Christie's auction in 2008 and figured, what would happen if a hypothetical investor would stupidly bought the entire auction or at least all the top-лоты indiscriminately? http://artinvestment.ru/invest/analy...isk_antik.html I mean, the cost of investment, given the risk that some artists can fall out of art history and the market. That's what happened:

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According to my estimates, three million dollars invested in 13 of the most expensive works at auction in 1998, the virtual has become to our time at 29.3 million dollars. Almost a tenfold increase. Even if we put aside the exceptional case with "Candle" by Gerhard Richter, two million art-инвестиций would have made a 13.5 million of revenue. In any case, the hypothesis about a waste of money evidence to support it.

Vladimir 12.01.2016 10:12

on acquisitions and losses
 
What can you recall of a new (or well forgotten old). Until 2014 for some artists now liquid virtually no auction market, or it was in its infancy. There was no market Sidur, Voroshilov, an old friend, and several others. But collectors liked a @- and the market responded. The sales are on working prices.

But are there examples of extinction. A few years ago rattled the name of Andrey Golikova - installations with oil. In 2007-2008, the prices for his work have shot at the mark of 30 000 @50 000 ndash dollars. Now look @extreme ndash the sale was in 2014 for $ 8,000 About the artist as-то not heard. Maybe a temporary lull, and maybe something else.

Vladimir 13.01.2016 15:23

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Сообщение от mihailovoh (Сообщение 3646341)
the meaning of investment .anything (including art).What is the rating things in a few years ????

It is possible that in the period of uncertainty should not focus on profitability, and liquidity - that is, the ability for things to be quickly resold, even at a substantial discount. Now, many buyers put a liquidity almost on the first place. I'll think about how to rank the most liquid of artists in the database (the share of sold from the number offered for sale). But in principle, the list (not rank) you can try together to make and so, according to-памяти. Try?


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