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NATA NOVA 02.08.2009 15:46

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Сообщение от Tjutchev (Сообщение 510906)
This is wrong?

This is not something that "bad" or "not bad", why multiply entities (rumors) unnecessarily?

Buscador 02.08.2009 16:11

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Сообщение от Tjutchev (Сообщение 510616)
All the talk about the special hamovitosti Russian

In this case, the behavior is very indicative of the "former Soviet" abroad. And courteous, and do not litter, and ezyat "humanly" ... I think the reason - a disorder of all our laws which are written "for himself" ...

Тютчев 02.08.2009 16:16

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 510826)
primarily:
Russian-Russia-Soviet-Socialist-Sov-SSSRnyy_ sotslagerny ...
what Mezhuyev these concepts linguistic and mental differences?
For us, the "Soviet", and for all "non-Soviet"

Let's define and crisp dictionaries (and without emotional coloring, ECW.)
Because we can speak about "Miscellaneous"

For the Soviet "Russian"-means one thing ..
For "non-Soviet" is the concept of "geopolitical properties"
It seems the first post.v which I used the term "Russian" (and that's because commenting Tyutchev.
Why? Because the common past is immeasurably more important than any nats.osobennosti ..
  Often, when use the word "Russian" is unclear, but that sobssno author has in mind ... nationality, mentality, belonging to Russia, the Russian language, to the Soviet past. to Russia Empire ... etc., etc., etc.
so let's define.



     Sister, there's the whole point is that everything that you listed, I mean. The notion of "Russian", because of natural development, has long ceased to be used only in a narrow sense. (And this is not the result of someone's deliberate action, but an objective reality that has arisen as a result of historical development.) Notion of "Russian civilization" has long been generally accepted. I wish that someone or not. And you and I live in Russian civilization, but your presence at this forum - too much evidence of this.


    Civilization (from the Latin. Civilis - civilian) as a concept has two basic meanings: of stages and the local. The modern and most accurate notion of "civilization" - a qualitative specificity (uniqueness of the material, spiritual and social life) of a group of countries, peoples at a certain stage of development.



    «Be proud! - You flatterers said. --
Land with crowned brow,
Land indestructible steel,
Polmira having taken the sword!
No limit your possessions,
And the whims of thy servant,
Listens proud ordinances
You resignation.
Red steppes of your dress,
And the mountains in the sky rested,
And as the sea your lake ... "
Do not trust, do not listen, do not be proud!
Let thy rivers deep wave
As waves of blue seas,
And the bowels of the mountains are full of diamonds,
And the bread pyshen fat steppes;
Suppose that before your almighty shine
The people tend to shy glance
And the seven seas incessant splash
You sing the praise-chorus;
Let storm bloody far
Your Perun swept --
All this power, this glory
All of these dust not be proud!
Terrible you had a great Rome,
King semiholmnogo Ridge
Iron strength and the will of Wild
The dream;
And the fire was unbearable Bulat
In the hands of the Altai savages;
And all buried in a pile of Zlata
Queen of the Western Seas.
And what is Rome? and where the Mongols?
And hiding in the chest dying groan,
Cueto impotent sedition,
Shivering over the abyss, Albion!
Fruitless any spirit of pride,
Is not true gold, steel fragile
But strong clear world of shrines
Strong praying hand!

And now for what you humble
What in the feeling of childhood simplicity
In the silence of the heart sacred,
Thou hast taken the creator of Verb --
You gave it his vocation,
You gave it a light portion:
Keep to the world heritage
High casualties and clean Affairs;
Keep tribal sacred brotherhood,
Love the life-giving vessel
And the flame of faith wealth
And the truth, and bloodless court.
Your all what the Holy Spirit,
What heart heard the voice of heaven,
In the coming days than life lurks
Start the glory and wonder! ..
Oh, remember your high destiny!
Past in the heart of the Resurrect
And it is hidden deep
You're questioning the spirit of life!
Listen to him - and all nations
Embracing the love of his,
Tell them the sacrament of freedom
Glow faith they spill!
And you'll be in the glory of the wonderful
Above all earthly sons
As the blue vault of heaven --
Transparent cover of the Most High!

(c)

NATA NOVA 02.08.2009 16:19

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Сообщение от Buscador (Сообщение 510976)
do not litter

  oh, ALL garbage! General a nightmare. Che said yes, tomorrow lay out pictures

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I do not understand why such a long poem?
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Сообщение от Tjutchev (Сообщение 510986)
Sister, there's the whole point is that everything that you listed, I mean. The notion of "Russian", because of natural development, has long ceased to be used only in a narrow sense

That is, it was (mentally) accepted? ( "Russian civilization")
Then why am I met him first?
What you like is not very correctly looks to national minorities ... or I think so?

Buscador 02.08.2009 17:11

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 511006)
I mean, it was (mentally) accepted? ( "Russian civilization")
Then why am I met him first?
What you like is not very correctly looks to national minorities ... or I think so?
__________________

Somehow Americans, we are inviting all Americans, Englishmen - Englishmen ... only the word - Russian, recently, we somehow become infringe the rights natsmenshinstv ...

NATA NOVA 02.08.2009 17:21

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Сообщение от Buscador (Сообщение 511106)
For some reason Americans, we are inviting all Americans, Englishmen - Englishmen ... only the word - Russian, recently, we somehow become infringe the rights natsmenshinstv ...

First. Let's not "burime", agreed?

Second-Anliya is only part of Britain (But there are Wales, Scotland and Ireland-Brit.). And it is very possible, if you Brits call it "an Englishman" (And he suddenly turns shotladtsem, Uelstsem or Irish) might be over and beaten by a person ( "Hooligan", by the way тож English word) ...

Buscador 02.08.2009 18:51

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 511146)
First. Let's not "burime, agreed?

I think I rhymed endings did not play. This time.
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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 511146)
Second-Anliya is only part of Britain (But there are Wales, Scotland and Ireland-Brit .).

Studied geography in high school. Is two.
And thirdly, I had an experience with "British" in neutral territory. So just a Scotsman I called an Englishman. To which he corrected me proud - I am not an Englishman, I am a Scot. 's All. A Briton, I can call him? Clearly, in Ireland, I would not call a local resident, an Englishman. Here you are, as they say, America is not opened. But in the Chukotka region, say, the Chukchi, Russian, too, were not. Or in Ossetia. But they all live in Russia and therefore for foreigners - Russian ...
's All. On national issues do not talk, because more than ever people are not divided by nationality.

Тютчев 02.08.2009 19:00

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 511146)

Second-Anliya is only part of Britain (But there are Wales, Scotland and Ireland-Brit.).

    That is all they who? British! Well, thank God!
  In America, a lot of peoples lives, but all of them - Americans, for all my short stories and underdeveloped culture.
People living in the north of Germany, do not understand Southerners (various dialects), but all of them - the Germans, despite the fact that Germany has developed within the present boundaries only in the XIX century.
France, too, is composed of many nationalities, and wow, live crunch baguette.
China - Multinational. In my opinion, examples suffice.

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 511146)
And it is very possible, if you Brits call it "an Englishman" (And he suddenly turns shotladtsem, Uelstsem or Irish) might be over and beaten by a person ( "Hooligan", by the way тож English word )...

       This is what we'll see who the person will be beaten! As long as we beat the British (in Crimea)! Yes, and in general, the British only with unarmed peasants to fight much (colonial wars), and then fled.

Кирилл Сызранский 02.08.2009 19:16

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Сообщение от Tjutchev (Сообщение 511416)
As long as we beat the British (in Crimea)!

Are you in a dream "beat" the British in the Crimea?
And there you and the Tsushima battle "win", perhaps? : D

Тютчев 02.08.2009 19:29

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 511476)
Are you in a dream "beat" the British in the Crimea?
And there you and the Tsushima battle "win", perhaps? : D

 
Learn the history and geography! : D


     In the garden elder, in Kiev uncle (folklore)

    P.S. Second World too "nice" the British have won? : D: D: D


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