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SAH 21.06.2010 10:13

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Сообщение от artist (Сообщение 1157532)
But the question arises: what we are and why we?

I'm talking about minimalism, concept and deep symbolism.
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Сообщение от artist (Сообщение 1157532)
And you do not know how to draw, and 1000 years ago and today ....

This does not, in every draw need know, but that drawing and how it is, yes, the key. Attached photo fragment of ancient Russian icons bad right?

Peter 21.06.2010 13:57

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Сообщение от Peter (Сообщение 1157472)
See Maria Magdalena El Greco at the exhibition in the Pushkin Museum Pushkin 's "From Raphael to Goya" from the museum Budapeshta.Pikasso rest! And this at a time!

Maria Magdalina.El Greko.God creation 1576-1577. (Blue Period Picasso ?<!--~ a ~-->)

Кирилл Сызранский 21.06.2010 14:18

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Art-lover 21.06.2010 14:36

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Сообщение от kr555 (Сообщение 1157492)
However he, unlike all its forerunners created the square at the right time and in the right place, where his child could receive proper assessment and make the right offspring.

This is a key point: expensive egg for Easter. Cheka Malevich provoked the crystallization of supersaturated solution of certain art searches, and podhodyashey environment has not been, say, in 1893, when the display picture of Alphonse Allais "Battle of blacks in the deep cave dark night."

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Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 1157582)
The real work Cheka is a road to nowhere.
There is no way!

"Anywhere" implies no lack of access, and the finding of a hitherto unknown function. In the dead ends of life is sometimes the only chance. Folklore phrase "Go there, do not know where, bring it, do not know what" - a brilliant synthesis of situations limit searches - existential, artistic, mystical, and sometimes scientific. And not only the heroes of fairy tales to cope with this "bad luck".

I love the parable about two frogs that fell into skrinku with milk. A clever quickly realized that "there is no way" and sank. The second worked frantically paws and shook up a piece of butter, rebounding from that, jumped out of a jug.
Black box art symbolizes the dead end, requiring the same transcendence. Postkvadratnoe art (not all of it comes down to commerce or lazy ignorance) floundered in search of a way, dokvadratnoe was going to the bottom, singing verse "All is well, beautiful Marquise.

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Сообщение от Veronic (Сообщение 501856)
black square might become that starting point, which turned the concept art to Arta. This piece was frozen in history, merged with it. Will it cause in the future similar disputes?
I wonder will it work, which will mark a new motion vector for modern art?

No shows: Cheka osootnositsya with absolute universality. Like Hegel's "pure being", he is "nothing." In its deepest essence, it is absolutely meaningless, so it can project any meaning.
For this reason it is - an ideal psychoanalytic object, effectively identifying the dominant subconscious: the remnants of children's fears, aggressiveness, anxiety, activity of creativity - someone that.
Malevich, of course, when painting the box, do not fully understand its symbolic universality.

uriart 21.06.2010 15:14


Кирилл Сызранский 21.06.2010 17:01

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Here are three interesting things Malevich 1930:

kr555 21.06.2010 17:16

And if you go back to the headword question - I personally feel almost nothing, perhaps too thick-skinned :) "Neither positive nor negative. While I personally consider it interesting. Especially the very first, he is the most textured and colorful, he can be a long time to watch. Nevertheless, as an isolated art object it is for me personally a great interest.
Much more importantly - without the black squares would not be beloved to me Lissitzky, it would not be his brilliant "The Tale of two squares, possibly Rodchenko, too, would not have been, and Popova - a whole layer of art if I came later, it is not such as we now know. And as such a fundamental symbol of the new aesthetics deserve unconditional respect. I do not see any sense to pay much attention to psevdofilosofskie study and all the mysticism, which under him handing himself Malevich and various followers, detractors and champions. Philosophy, there is no course was not originally, was a brilliant intuitive gesture of the artist, a purely aesthetic genius.

artist 21.06.2010 17:21

And I agree that
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Сообщение от Art-lover (Сообщение 1157802)
Malevich, of course, when painting the box, do not fully understand its symbolic universality.

I wrote about this. This dokazavaetsya author's continued presence in the Cheka from. art. Ie set point, the door slammed, but he did not realize and will continue to do hard.
Unfortunately, by the COP, it was not a free choice. Before him stood a dilemma: to sink - geometry.
He chose. Good. Choosing the right, but forced.
Come to the Cheka "freak" Repin ", could talk about a new look at
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Сообщение от Art-lover (Сообщение 1157802)
ideal psychoanalytic object

And so, without blaming the COP in malicious, we can say that the situation correctly assessed, with a marketing challenge and coped well positioned. But at the same time, talking about nothing in the forum lovers of fine art, we should remember about the emperor's new clothes.
What a lie. Take away tsenik and how many of the existents would realize that they face
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Сообщение от Art-lover (Сообщение 1157802)
a brilliant synthesis of situations limit searches - existential, artistic, mystic

and not just a piece of painted plywood?
Well, honestly?)
A dokvadratnoe "art" to the bottom "does not matter, living and sold worldwide. Receded a bit under the pressure of "expression", but sooner or later, "we are with our neighbor" understand that identity is, approximately, the same way and pull us to the "monster" Vrubel. Because "we are with our neighbor" as "never" do not know how)))
It is not necessary, it seems to me to divide the world into before and after. These "tags" have been so much ...

This is how "New Russia" - February 1917 - "New Russia", October 1917 - "New Russia", August 1991 - "New Russia !"... And she, all of Russia ... And, thank God!)

P.S. kr555, everything would have been) has long been Alphonse Allais, so many who have already "been" ...
Yes, selling a pair of works by Francis Pekabelya (without frames ))))). expensive.

Кирилл Сызранский 21.06.2010 17:28


kr555 21.06.2010 17:40

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Сообщение от artist (Сообщение 1157852)
P.S. kr555, everything would have been) has long been Alphonse Allais, so many who have already "been" ...

And that, Alphonse Allais created a new aesthetic? He made only a curiosity, not having any value. But the black square is a graphic symbol of a new aesthetic, its icon and the logo, he changed all the surrounding space, it grew out of the entire known industrial design of the XX century, modern architecture, but what of it not only increased ...


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