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iside 02.04.2012 15:03

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Сообщение от Kirill Syzran ; 2051981"
sorry to disappoint you : artcolu dearer grubby building entrances .
He , iside, just have not seen the others.
But the funny thing - he did not believe that there are other and did not even try to verify the stories of those who saw those entrances with flowers.

Cyril Syzran, it is incredible ! I can not believe it. <! - ~ 11 ~ -> Let's wait for an answer artcol ...

Кирилл Сызранский 02.04.2012 15:12

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Сообщение от iside; 2051991"
I can not believe it .

"Dirty doorways " - is, of course, a figurative comparison, but I just wrote about the entrances .
But already there - the city clean , clean air , clean sea and just pure water , the taste of real bread and milk - all of these stories cause Homeric laughter artcol as well - he thinks all those pernicious bourgeois propaganda stories :
All of this invention, there is no Rio de Janeiro, and America is not, and Europe, no, nothing. In general, the last city - is Shepetovka against which the waves of the Atlantic. ( a ) :)

Konstantin 02.04.2012 16:41

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Сообщение от Maskit (Сообщение 2051931)
I want to see that your statement about my performances on the neprisutstvii Mavromatti more than wrong


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Сообщение от Kirill Syzran (Сообщение 2051981)
you read on the forum, and knowing that you presence here - a form of banter


Exchanged barbs and sufficient.

artcol 02.04.2012 16:50

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Сообщение от iside (Сообщение 2051891)
artcol, so forgive me, and the topic, then what is the name? <! - 7 ~ ~ -> How to develop the infrastructure of the art market, I know, I think, and others as well.

For what?? Well, at least because they live among the world much more pleasant than in darkness. Take as an example of a staircase (I'm not talking about luxury housing), but about an ordinary staircase in a house in which millions across Russia. You like more in the spirit, spat, dirty staircase, an elevator, which defecate? Or a cozy, clean entrance, where there are flowers on the windowsill?

Art market - it is the suspension of the primary institutions that have grown, filtered and shows the first time, talents, and future stars of the art market. Quality programs, quality developments, most of these primary institutions is directly related to the general level of culture, if it progresses or regresses.

That is, the context of this topic that would make their lives more comfortable, through the development of
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most of these primary institutions
I understand it correctly?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2051981)
Unfortunately, I must disappoint you: artcol y dearer grubby building entrances.

I think you should apologize for saying this, a respected guru.

And for the future: it is not necessary to measure their standards of others. Everyone hears and sees what he wants to hear and see.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2052021)
"Dirty doorways" - is, of course, a figurative comparison, but I just wrote about the entrances.
But already there - the city clean, clean streets, clean air, clean sea and just pure water, the taste of real bread and milk, dobrolyubivye smiling people - all of these stories cause Homeric laughter artcol as well - he thinks all these stories are harmful bourgeois propaganda:

That's all that should turn out a <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2052021)
cause Homeric laughter

This is not your stories cause my laughter, and you, in the context of these stories <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
And in your porch, if I had that, and you do not see the beam in his eye, but it is much talk about other <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Ika-Ika 02.04.2012 16:59

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Сообщение от Kirill Syzran (Сообщение 2051981)
sorry to disappoint you: artcolu dearer grubby building entrances.

He, iside, just have not seen the others.

But the funny thing - he did not believe that there are other and did not even try to verify the stories of those who saw those entrances with flowers.

Trot out on the trail.
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Кирилл Сызранский 02.04.2012 17:05

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Сообщение от artcol; 2052211"
I think you should apologize for saying this , a respected guru.

I can only apologize for the fact that its finding made ​​in private conversations offline .
This is so, for that I beg your pardon : pardon me, please , Mr artcol.

Sometimes it happens - the conversation was , and where he was - did not even remember - whether in real life , whether on Skype , the themes of the forum there ...

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Сообщение от artcol; 2052211"
Everyone hears and sees what he wants to hear and see.

I heard a very specific and heard not interpreted .
We are your neighbors live in similar neighboring cities and they are not even "dirty levans entrances ," and much worse. My " access " , however, more and worse than elsewhere ...
artcol, I wrote the truth, lying somewhere , something pereinachal ?

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 2052191)
They exchanged jabs and sufficient.

Yes, this is not an injection.

Simply, many forum users are familiar and in real life and it is difficult in such situations to continue to play the role of forum, no, no, but it - in this role - the real life of its own making certain moments.

artcol 02.04.2012 17:24

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2052291)
I can only apologize for the fact that its finding made in private conversations offline.
This is so, for that I beg your pardon: pardon me, please, Mr artcol.

Sometimes it happens - the conversation was, and where he was - did not even remember - whether in real life, whether on Skype, the themes of the forum there ...


I heard a very specific and heard not interpreted.
We are your neighbors live in similar neighboring cities and they are not even "dirty levans entrances," and much worse. My "access", however, more and worse than elsewhere ...
artcol, I wrote the truth, lying somewhere, something pereinachal?

Apology accepted. Peace, friendship.

But. Forgive, I can, but that's understood - does (s)
What's the point of this was in your escapades? One can interpret my words as you can on the other. My laughter, the k-th I meet all these stories about the beauty of Europe - does not mean that the Russian mud and unsettled me a mile of comfort and cleanliness. I'm talking about something else. But on the other you do not really even aware of. Therefore traktuete as you can, you see. And you see - something that has already seen. All the new cuts you of an old comb.
So, no, it's your inner fantasies, and some I do not want to attribute your personal.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2052291)
Simply, many forum users are familiar and in real life and it is difficult in such situations to continue to play the role of forum, no, no, but it - in this role - the real life of its own making certain moments.

Duc charm, including the Internet, and that can act, play, etc. To speak, debate, etc. To do this, the polarization of the same views, roles, etc. But this should not tolerate the fact that in real life on the Internet. They are different. And it's not, I thought, this is a phenomenon, objectively existing and inherent.

Ah, Constantine T. <! - ~ 9 ~ -> You are directed graduate <! - ~ 5 ~ -> damn talk about culture <! - ~ 7 ~ -> It's funny.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2052291)
 My "access", however, more and cleaner somewhere ...

More - yes. A cleaner: again - what judge? For pictures from the Internet? Everything is changing rapidly in our world.

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Returning to the theme topic:
generally, if we talk about culture - the conversation comes to a standstill, and no practical benefit will not be. You can talk about principles, and then on the projects, but about the culture - is even columnists argue - it is their bread.

Columnists here seems not. Or is there?

Кирилл Сызранский 02.04.2012 17:35

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Сообщение от artcol; 2052331"
But on the other you do not really even aware of. Therefore traktuete as you can, you see.

Yes, I'm a fan of earth and simple truths - bad /good: white /black , yes /no , true /false ...
Perhaps , and probably all it is, that I some unknown secret knowledge about a "new " knowledge, which seems to have everything except for me at this forum. <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
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Сообщение от artcol; 2052331 '
You can talk about principles , and then on the projects , but about the culture - is even columnists argue - it is their bread .

Columnists are not the depths of people - again.
And second - and what is necessary to speak in this topic ?
About how to sell the pictures?

artcol 02.04.2012 17:53

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2052361)
some secret knowledge about a "new" knowledge, which seems to have everything except for me at this forum. <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Columnists are not the depths of people - again.
And second - and what is necessary to speak in this topic?
About how to sell pictures?

Cyril, I do not accidentally poked fun very deliberately about samizdat. And the phrase that your (Andropov), remember: "We do not know the society in which we live." So what knowledge is, and they are not secret. Then, they were not - and now there is. I mean access.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2052361)
Columnists are not the depths of people - again.

So what up with that? To speak and I can. From the slogan that scenario. In verse and prose. Blah blah blah <! - ~ 7 ~ -> But the practice criterion of truth, only the result (and hardcore, of course <! - 7 ~ ~ ->)

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2052361)
And second - and what is necessary to speak in this topic?
About how to sell the pictures?

I just summed up (in the 10th page). No, selling pictures in this thread do not discuss. The application is made, you need to raise the general culture. With this you can not argue. But I have to say about this until there is nothing: it is a utopia. But the MB forum members have a different opinion. While listen.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2052361)
Or boast a new Mercier, who parkuesh panel in the yard in an industrial suburb of Khrushchev Zychih Settlement near the dumpster, garbage out is already the fifth day is not taken out and he was at the wheel of your car rolls and smells ...
 <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

It's funny, I agree. Although the consensus here <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

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And one more remark on the part of the " cultural development ".

What is culture? This kind of soft- set of elements of the human environment, formatting it. Cyril did not agree with the cult has a comprehensive and reduces it to the realm of art . All right. Even so, it is even clearer.

Next, he actually says about the culture of consumption that it ( the culture ) is needed to educate people and to develop , ie thus create a market for consumption. Well, invested and created - and what the consumer will consume it ? Something is high, but the deceased , because there is no production , only the aftermarket . Or what?

Кирилл Сызранский 02.04.2012 18:26

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Сообщение от artcol; 2052401"
Cyril, I do not accidentally poked fun at you quite deliberately about samizdat.

But how can you "banter about self-publishing," I did cheat code a) in the mid-70s and b) they were published, for example:
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Nicholas Bokov
No one. Disangelie of Mary dementia

Andrei Sinyavsky (Abram Tertz)
At the Circus

Andrei Sinyavsky (Abram Tertz)
Lodgers

Yuli Daniel (Nikolai Arzhak)
Moscow Says

Yuli Daniel (Nikolai Arzhak)
Hands

Yuli Daniel (Nikolai Arzhak)
Man of the Ministry of Agrarian Policy

Alexander Solzhenitsyn
The First Circle

Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Cancer Ward

Mikhail Bulgakov
Heart of a Dog

Boris and Arkady Strugatsky
Ugly Swans

Fazil Iskander
Feasts of Belshazzar

Leon Uris
Exodus

Ladislav Mnyachko
The taste of power

Vasily Grossman
Everything flows

Vladimir Voinovich
The Life and Extraordinary Adventures of Private Ivan Chonkin

Vladimir Nabokov
Lolita

Vladimir Nabokov
Gift

Vladimir Nabokov
Invitation to a Beheading

Vladimir Maximov
Seven Days of Creation

Vladimir Maximov
Quarantine

Benedict Erofeev
Moscow - End of the Line

Valery Tarsis
House number 7

Hughes Aleshkovsky
Nicholas

 Vasily Aksenov
The Island of Crimea

Vladimir Voinovich
Ivankiad

Anatoly Gladilin
Forecast for tomorrow

Anatoly Gladilin
"Zaporozhets" on a wet road

Vladimir Kornilov
Demobilization

Lev Timofeyev
Trap (a novel in four letters)

Leonid Borodin
"The Third Truth"

   


This is part of the toko and only fiction.
Here's a little journalism and memoirs:
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Alexander Men
The Son of Man


Vladimir Albrecht
Practical Guide: how to behave during the interrogation


Vyacheslav Chornovil
The introductory article to the book "Woe from Wit."


Lydia Chukovskaya
Mikhail Sholokhov, author of "Quiet Flows the Don"


Yuri Galanskov
Open letter to the deputy XXIII Congress of the CPSU M. Sholokhov


Ludmila Alexeeva
From "History of Dissent in the USSR"


Alexander Ginzburg
The last word Ginsburg on the court January 12, 1968


Ivan Yakhimovich
Letter to the CPSU Central Committee


Chronicle of Current Events
The first issue of the newsletter. April 30, 1968


Ilya Gabai, Julius Kim, Petr Yakir
To men of science, art and culture


Bogoraz and Pavel Litvinov
To the international community


Ilya Gabai
In the closed doors of an open trial


Vyacheslav Chornovil
The last word on the lawsuit in Lviv, August 15, 1967


Ilya Gabai
THE LAST WORD
at the trial on January 19-20, 1970 in Tashkent City Court


Vladimir Bukovsky
The last word on the court


Alexander Esenin-Volpin
Legal Memo


Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Letter IV All-Union Congress of Soviet Writers Union


George Vladimov
In the Presidium of the All-Union Congress of Soviet Writers


Arkady Belinkov
Letter to the USSR Writers' Union


Alexander Nekrich
Discussion of the book AM Nekrich "June 22, 1941" at the Institute of Marxism-Leninism


Petro Grigorenko
Concealment of the historical truth - a crime against the people!


Mikhail Yakubovich
Attorney General of the USSR


Lydia Chukovskaya
NO PENALTY, BUT THOUGHT. NO WORD (for the 15th anniversary of the death of Stalin)


Vladimir Lenin
Letter to members of the Politburo


Zhores Medvedev
Biological science and the cult of personality


Roy Medvedev
On Stalin and stalinizme


Leon Trotsky
Stalin


Nadezhda Mandelstam
My will


Nadezhda Mandelstam
Memories. Excerpt.


Nadezhda Mandelstam
Memories. The second book. Excerpt.


Pyotr Yakir
Childhood in prison. Memoirs of Peter Yakir


Yuri Annenkov
Diary of my meetings


Vilford Shtik-Shtrikfeld
Against Stalin and Hitler


Anastasia
MEMORIES


George Ozerov
Tupolev sharaga. (Memories)


Nikita Khrushchev
Memoirs


Louis Fisher
Life of Lenin


Svetlana Alliluyeva
Twenty letters to a friend. The letter first.


Bogoraz
On a trip


Valentyn Moroz
Report from the Beria Reserve name


Anatoly Marchenko
My Testimony


Cornelius Menesku
Speech of Comrade. Cornelia Menesku, Minister of Foreign. Social Affairs. rep. Romania


Ludwig Vaculík
Two thousand words


Anatoly Yakobson
An Open Letter <Regarding protests in connection with the suppression of "Prague Spring">


Bogoraz
The last word on the court


Natalia Gorbanevskaya
Noon


Collective letter
Bureau of the consultative meeting of communist parties in Budapest


Andrei Sakharov
Reflections on Progress, Peaceful Coexistence and Intellectual Freedom


Andrei Sakharov
Memo


Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Letter to the Leaders of the Soviet Union


AD Sakharov, Turchin, VF Medvedev, RA
Letter from Sakharov, Turchin, and Medvedev heads of party and government


Valery Turchin
The inertia of fear. Socialism and totalitarianism


Igor Shafarevich
Socialism as a phenomenon in world history


E.Varga
The Russian way of transition to socialism and its results


Vladimir Osipov
Three related to homeland


Russian patriots
Word of the Nation


Andrew Amalric
An Open Letter A.Kuznetsovu


Andrew Amalric
Will the Soviet Union Survive Until 1984?


Gregory Pomerantz
The Man from Nowhere


Gregory Pomerantz
Koan


Gregory Pomerantz
Moral character of a historical figure


Anatoly Yakobson
The end of the tragedy



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