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Konstantin 18.06.2012 15:04

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Сообщение от artcol; 2142421"
The " Russian Norodom " not interested in expensive cars and elite real estate

Why do you think so?
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Russians are more likely to buy expensive cars ! Sales of models worth over 100 thousand dollars in Russia over the first 9 months of 2011 exceeded the same period in 2008 immediately before the crisis to 11%(sales of "ordinary" cars at the same time do not reach pre-crisis rate of 15%). If in 2008 it was purchased about 40 thousand of these machines , in 2011 we are talking about 44.1 thousand

artcol 18.06.2012 15:23

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Сообщение от K-Maler (Сообщение 2142441)
Formerly "demonstrate " meant - " to show to sell ."
Now the emphasis has shifted so much that it was mainly the moment of "public life", a unit of glamorous entertainment ... boundaries erased ...

I think - it's a step in the right direction . There is a chance for real talent to break through the crowd of artisans ' holstmaslo . "

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 2142461)
Why do you think so ?

It says - " Russians ."

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2142451)
We talked about the contemporary Russian painting, as I understood , but it does not cost as " expensive cars and real estate elite " - again.

And having it does not yet have a status as you listed - two .

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sell "ordinary" cars at the same time do not reach pre-crisis rate another 15 %

Konstantin 18.06.2012 16:06

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sale of "ordinary" cars at the same time do not reach pre-crisis rate another 15 %

It is , yes.
But let 's define what kind of price range of painting ( modern of course) we are talking about ?
Normal car is 10 000 - 20 000 $. Modern painting is in the majority of 500 - 3000 $. And in the vast majority in the 1000 - 2000 $.

artcol 18.06.2012 16:50

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 2142541)
This is a yes.
But let 's define what kind of price range of painting ( modern of course) we are talking about ?
Normal car is 10 000 - 20 000 $. Modern painting is in the majority of 500 - 3000 $. And in the vast majority in the 1000 - 2000 $.

It is useless to expect it all , to paint . Pictures - is a luxury, but a machine (especially fiscal ) - means of transportation. Expensive car - a presentation tool , as well as watch.

"It's two different things ,"- said to me a friend - a lawyer. "I 'll come and ask for 100 t.doll at the WHA and the 5th BMW. In the first case , all think I'm a rogue and that's enough , and 20th of the amount requested , while the second - I have already placed the 100 pay . Here I think now we need a fee to climb , the question arises - what kind of car to buy next ? "
 
The most interesting thing that this man - if you draw a portrait of him - well, just the perfect buyer of pictures , but it has no pictures .

Кирилл Сызранский 18.06.2012 17:21

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Pictures - is a luxury

The picture - a product of artistic creation that has aesthetic value in the first place . If people have a need to evaluate and perceive aesthetic objects of art - they will go to the theater to watch plays, and concerts to attend , and the exhibition and at home will have a picture. Here are the money , in my opinion, not in the first place , not too expensive paintings by contemporary artists - some still life or landscape can afford to buy many, but not buy them it does not occur , just that it does do not need to be very much to read fiction , for example.

Магнолия 18.06.2012 19:08

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Сообщение от Kirill Syzran (Сообщение 2142601)
picture - a product of artistic creation that has aesthetic value


Aesthetics - the quality of the subject, not object.

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It is useless to expect it all , to paint . Pictures - is a luxury item ,

Yes, it's a luxury item , allow yourself to enjoy your favorite aesthetic situation , memory, personality ...
I order form , the plot , still life ... and if the pattern fails, buy , and even order a double gift for a dear person involved in the image. Requests for the price of agreement . If the picture is not successful , the artist is selling it , how and to whom he wants. Such a contract . What gives me such an order - buying - read the essay " The light pine" in my diary . Who will publish it.

artcol 18.06.2012 19:43

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran (Сообщение 2142601)
some still life or landscape can afford to buy many, but do not buy ...

Cyril , let's talk specifically and in numbers. What you have not bought ? Show off ... <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

By the way , we are now on the main square, a concert Matsuev , Open EIR , so to speak. All seats are occupied (2-3 K) . I think none of these people would not mind the painting on the walls , but no deneh it at 90%. For them it is - a luxury.

Fed 18.06.2012 20:39

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2142781)
deneh but do not have it at 90%.
For them it is - a luxury.

Yes, and right-thump fun.
Russians spend 688 billion rubles.
to drink.


But I think that is something at the pictures, but the other figure is obviously prevents them to buy: they go to museums to 3 times less likely to Europeans, and in theaters, at 9.

artcol 18.06.2012 21:00

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Сообщение от Fed (Сообщение 2142831)
Yes, and right - thump fun. Russians spend 688 billion rubles. to drink.

But I think that is something at the pictures , but the other figure is obviously prevents them to buy : they go to museums to 3 times less likely to Europeans , and in theaters , at 9 .

Oh, those Russians untermenshi and cattle , and genetic zaputintsy slaves !
Would like the Europeans - that would have been a paradise for art dealers. " Buy and sell , buy and sell " ( c) CR < ! - ~ 7 ~ ->

But mind you - still hold first place in suicides in the world! So everything about yourself to understand worthless , but just enough spirit not at all clear the land ourselves.

Кирилл Сызранский 18.06.2012 21:12

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Cyril , let's talk specifically and in numbers. What you have not bought ?

I'm not talking about myself, but , for example, art galleries in the city.

And the concert on its main square is not any indicator of anything, except , perhaps , that a certain amount of party will be lit next to the top officials of the province and the city and just at this party has the money , but the paintings are buying one.

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Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 2142851)
Oh, those Russians untermenshi and cattle, and genetic zaputintsy slaves!

You know what to say.


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