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Кирилл Сызранский 05.02.2014 00:29

Russian Museum disown detainee critic
 
Arrested on suspicion of fraud critic Elena Basner not an expert of the Russian Museum , as previously reported by the media in the notes about it . This « Lente.ru » has learned from press service of the St. Petersburg museum.

"Elena Basner Veniaminovna since 2003 does not work in the Russian Museum and never had it the status of an expert , the more the international level. Since 2003, the museum does not connected and for its actions Museum assumes no responsibility, " - said in the statement.

In addition , the museum said that the original paintings by Boris Grigoriev , " Paris Cafe ", which was allegedly sold to collectors Andrei Vasiliev in 2009 , 1985 is stored in its meeting ( Vasilyev work sold under the name " restaurant "). In 2011, Russian Museum issued Vasilyev consulting conclusion that stored the collector fabric is fake .

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In connection with this statement, the Russian Museum , I want to remember this :
«Ресторанный» scandal too long

Inflated conflict around work by Boris Grigoriev , " restaurant ", which recognized the copy is in the original collection of the Russian Museum " Paris Cafe " continues

Eriksson 05.02.2014 00:45

Through FB came to sign the petition:


http://www.change.org/en-GB/petition...share_petition

тата 05.02.2014 00:47

Well before that , she worked , that for ten years has forgotten .... it does not happen . Neither of which is not clear how the expert was not ? She had radiation
actively sought in linseed oil , and actively if not aggressively promoted this crude method ..... if you are not an expert - why should she , and expertise to do if something will not confuse . <! - ~ 11 ~ ->
   A curator at the exhibition , as a private person or what? Exhibition in Moscow was just after the 2003rd year. <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

Eriksson 05.02.2014 01:20

from FB : https://www.facebook.com/alexeieff

The key to the case Basner

"Cultural public it may be perceived as a cultural shock and bloody repression of the regime. Yet everyone agrees that bloody regime to counterfeits hardly has bearing on them . Basner Hardly anyone seriously need , but the fact that it stands for is the St. Petersburg group , already got all their Gorbatova , Nesterov , Grigorieva , etc. If it is the present and have caught the hook it does not break , it will begin or take friends or really to jail for several years. pity her , but each person chooses their own destiny . " http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...=129821&page=9

And letters Collector Andrei Vasilyev fb art critic Tatyana Goriacheva :

" I'm sorry to intrude into this scientist dispute . Ms. Basner , I sincerely wish the day after liberation , not performed in this transaction , as an expert. SHumakova She asked to conceal their involvement . Shumakov 250,000 received from the buyer , and the owner gave Basner 180000 . And all this mysterious disappearance occurred within 1 hour. All these figures carefully recorded and signed by the participants. So it can not be called an expert in this case . She just some negotsii party .

Now the character of this negotsii . It is fraudulent and that's why. The apartment Basner picture Grigorieva was July 6, 2009 . A June 18, 2009 a citizen took her from Grabar Center , where she was on the examination and was recognized as a forgery. Basner , selling paintings, Shumakov told that it comes from the collection of T. For picture were attached scans from " my journal for a few " made ​​Basner indoors GPB in 2007 year. Ie there is fraud, misrepresentation , breach of trust, in order to lure a large sum of money. But this is not important .

Now about that - whether it was possible to recall that it was 30 years ago or not. Basner , holding this picture of the house , at least 5 days , showed its curator of JULIA Solonovich DRAWING belt . And she did not recognize in her native clone paintings Grigorieva , which it stores ! Can this be ? Maybe . Because shortly before Tamara Galeeva , arrives in St. Petersburg for the preparation of a monograph on Grigoriev access all paintings and drawings belt - on inventory and catalogs ! ! And she did not show this pattern. Ie neither keeper Solonovich nor Galeeva did not know or said they did not know the existence of this picture. And that's not all , gentlemen, p.ch. the most important thing in this story while it is impossible to tell , but believe that the whole situation in general will turn upside down .

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One can not tell if Basner would be an intelligent man and a decent man , then at least she apologized that brought harm to another person who has nothing in front of her not guilty . It would return the money appropriated itself . Instead, she pitted me a pack of investigators and prosecutors at district level , which strongly insulted during the year , hid documents under the carpet , stated that I myself had forged this picture. Approximately the same position was taken and timing . And this is the hundredth part of what I could say about this story. So I really want to see Basner free and meet her in court.

Excuse me, but if you're positioning yourself as an expert , ask not to call your name, do not write the examination, but simply sell falshak obtained from someone unknown , but invent it - this falshaki provenance , and put yourself in the pocket tens of thousands dollars, then who are you ? That's what happened with Basner !

Dear Tatyana , I can not go into the psychology of these people. I see the history and deeds. If everything was as you describe - unreasonableness , etc., then why this intelligent woman did not apologize , did not return the money - their share ? No police would not exist. No, she said that we will meet with her in court that she had sold the real thing , but a fake belt and that I generally cleaned with her ​​eyes.

You do not know a lot , but I will do everything in my power to make the case came to trial . By the way, was a civil court , which Basner so concerned about their reputation just was not. A lawyer came to her . The court refused me in a lawsuit p.ch. I supposedly missed the statute of limitations . Moreover, the date from which the period should be counted and they did not specify ! The case is now in Moscow in the Supreme Court . At the same time I am convinced that here Basner fifth wheel , and behind it there are people that she is not losing because of fear or any close relationship . And that's bad , p.ch. she can go and get the real organizer of time.

Now the garage - garage emerged only now. When selling collection featured Professor T. And , too, was a conscious lie. I ask you to wait for the court , and then draw conclusions. And if for some reason the court will not, then released a book which will be published by the original documents . In the interests of Basner vowel and public trial . And to help her out on bail now of course you need . And my word is worth all the letters. And that word is said.

By the way, you do not know why Basner never puts on its findings dates? Dear Tatyana , I want to emphasize once again . Basner not written examination, she asked not to disclose their participation , she came up with the provenance , it is assigned a lot of money . All this is a conscious act, indicating that she felt this trouble . And after that you believe that she did not know about Grabar ? Maybe , maybe. But wait for the court - such surprises are waiting for you .

I know Lena 30 years. I gave it to Bukowski . My heart is broken with respect to it 10 years ago, when she had to write the foreword to our book of Schuster and threw such a trick , after which neither I nor Schuster family never talked with her . I do not want when it hard to write about the plot of those old stories. I would never have bought the painting from her. NEVER ! But now it's not about that. I am absolutely sure that Lena only a small detail of this story , which entirely takes place near the belt .

Dear Tatyana , in which my interview you can read what I relied on the authority of Basner ? It could not be , unless it is the direct speech of some mad journalist. I did not do anything at all , since this picture was from General T., whom I knew personally and knew that he was buying things right at Burceva in the early 30 -ies. It's time. Secondly, a number of experts certainly recognize this thing de visa. That's two .

When I handed it to the belt , and then two months there singing praises, and then gave a negative paper. But before that lay on the table Petrova positive expertise ! And you want to make this whole kitchen, we did not understand , but just do not bother Basner forgotten ? So maybe it was, if people knew how to apologize , do not be rude and do not do to others what you would not want that to yourself. And all this does not negate the " garage " , Aronson and other miracles .

And by the way , why do you think that in just one episode ?

Евгений 05.02.2014 05:56

Цитата:

.. Russian Museum: "Elena Basner Veniaminovna since 2003 does not work in the Russian Museum and never had it the status of an expert , the more the international level. Since 2003, the museum does not connected and for its actions Museum assumes no responsibility »,
15 years working in a museum ... Museum has a moral responsibility and that spot with Russian museum is not erased.
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Сообщение от Eriksson; 2977991"
... " A.Vasilyev " .. " Ms. Basner , I sincerely wish the day after liberation , not performed in this transaction , as an expert. SHumakova She asked to conceal their involvement . Shumakov received from Buyer 250000 and 180000 Basner handed owner . and all this mysterious disappearance occurred within 1 hour. All these figures carefully recorded and signed by the participants. So it can not be called an expert in this case . She just some negotsii party ... "

All right and Elena Basner , for fraud should be punished , but to be detained ? it is very cruel , bail can be safely released, while there is a trial ..

Eriksson 05.02.2014 08:22

Michael Piotrowski, director of the State Hermitage Museum: "I think that is an insult to the entire intelligentsia.
Such measures, when a woman humanitarian profession jailed - it spit the entire intelligentsia of Russia. "


http://topspb.tv/news/news32307/

Маруся 05.02.2014 09:08

Drew attention to a letter Vasileva:


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Сообщение от Eriksson (Сообщение 2977991)
And by the way, why do you think that in just one episode?


Аркадий 05.02.2014 09:17

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Сообщение от Eriksson (Сообщение 2978091)
Michael Piotrowski , director of the State Hermitage Museum : "I think that is an insult to the entire intelligentsia . Such measures , when a woman humanitarian profession jailed - it spit the entire intelligentsia of Russia. "

 Apparently fraud now became known as the "humanitarian profession ," according to Piotrovsky . <! - ~ 10 ->

K-Maler 05.02.2014 09:59

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Сообщение от Eugene ; 2978061"
is very cruel , bail can be safely released, while there is a trial ..

Yes, scary ... I think it's made of " practical " reasons for the investigation : that she could not talk to anyone and hide it - or ...
Oh, and to "click " and she named names , how it happened and who ...

Кирилл Сызранский 05.02.2014 11:09

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And the letters Collector Andrei Vasilyev fb art critic Tatyana Goriacheva
I note that this letter is addressed T.V.Goryachevoy, a specialist in Russian avant-garde from the Tretyakov Gallery.

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As everyone knows, we have two Goryachev critic Tatiana.
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Сообщение от Eriksson; 2978091"
when a woman humanitarian profession jailed

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Цитата:

Сообщение от Eriksson; 2978091"
Michael Piotrowski , director of the State Hermitage Museum : "I think that is an insult to the entire intelligentsia . Such measures , when a woman humanitarian profession jailed - it spit the entire intelligentsia of Russia. "

Pussy Riot he forgot ?
Young mother Nadezhda Tolokonnikova and Maria Alekhine their " dvushechki " from the president and the patriarch have stayed , and then Piotrowski and words vyaknul and because the girls do not steal , do not cheated , lime findings on fake works of art were not given , people hundreds of thousands of dollars is not obegorivali , the history of art in Russia is not falsified his false examinations .


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