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Maria Chegodaeva: .. "Today profitable to buy the classics ..."
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article in the magazine Ogonyok (2008god)
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I would eat SHILOV with great pleasure! ..
Confessed to our correspondent corresponding member of the Russia Academy of Fine Arts Mary Chegodaeva. I explained that this advantage to buy paintings and classical artists of the second series of the late XIX - early XX century
- Maria Andrey, went to you, thought meeting fury. After all, they say, you are known skandalistka ...
And what I see: tea, cake, four cats and darling hostess on the classical intellectual kitchen, where a hundred years there was no master!
- Yes, I was not scandalous lady and I can not tolerate this! But things happened in my life Glazunov, after - Shilov. Then - the scandal with "Peter" Tsereteli, participated in the bazaar, which started Marat Gelman. The art is entirely unrelated, but I had to be there in the thick ...
- The start was so - says Maria Andrey - about Glazunov, I wrote a scientific work. Preparing a compilation, I made up a story there. I'm not interested in his personal life, I'm an art critic. But then, in 78 th year, poulybalis and was told that these things can not be printed. Well, can not and should not, and my creation has gone hand in samizdat, as many came to Vladivostok. And they invite me to report on the subject - physicists, chemists, lyric, every month for three or four times, in all directions. Report to them on the paradoxes of Glazunov, his Orthodox-decadent-dissident exotics. Then happened Shilov exhibition at the Kuznetsk Bridge. Sensational! "Himself" Glazunov eclipsed. I wrote a note. A few years later published a booklet "Kitsch, kitsch, kitsch, where all of these articles included. I can teach, if you're interested ... And so on the "king of kitsch" I made myself, unfortunately, scandalous popularity. But always write about the wonderful artists, and no worse writing than about the Shilov with Glazunov.
- How to "kings" to respond?
- How Shilov, I do not know, and Glazunov - it is the whole story. Where would he just not getting out, make sure I remembered: there is a lady there with the art, such-and-so that his bait. And what a miserable it from this man ... Glazunov nobody hunted. He got everything he wanted, even exhibitions in the Manege. Well, artists would not accept it, ignore it, not interested at all. They knew very well who he is and what he said. Said that he gebist, but it's what I especially did not write, not because these things can not be proved, but because it has no relation to his art. Do not write about his scandalous career. But all the same - to hunt down! And I keep someone from friends reported: Glazunov appeared on television and there again you mentioned his ...
And two years ago Tsereteli strongly replenished Academy of Arts. Adopted in the academics of different people, which in past years they would have been in my life there not allowed - Nazarenko, Nesterov, Pologova and me, Glazunov and Shilov - in the corresponding member. We solemnly awarded tickets, congratulations. It was a circus! After Glazunov can not stand Tsereteli, and he wanted to be president of the Academy. Ostensibly collapsed at the last minute: the order was already lying on the table Yeltsin, but managed to do so, that it is not signed. And suddenly, Ilya Sergeyevich such humiliation - in the corresponding member! However Shilov! With me! But Glazunov speech, as he adores Tsereteli, as he offspring of such a man is not seen and not heard, the glory and the hope of Russia and do not know why. Long said ... Then Tsereteli invited everyone to his house. A Georgian table, all as it should be. Tsereteli, is able to treat. Beside me sat May Miturich, and Ilya diagonally. We chatted with May, suddenly Ilyushechka across the table - to me: "I look at all - what a lovely person! I do not know who it is. And I say: yes this is the same Chegodaeva! .. "Well, lies like a trooper! We know him from the 60's, met at the Union of Artists. "I admire you! - Says. - You always told the truth, what you think. It is so good. And you look so nobly. Polyubeznichali ...
And then recently appeared Ilyushechka at the meeting of the Academy of Fine Arts - Congratulations on completing the work in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. Yes, you will know that the whole idea Glazunov under a suit, but he smiled, all in the temple made the Academy. And then came to congratulate: how happy he is, what a feat, and like all wonderful, delightful, and what Zurab extraordinary! Presented a gift. I've thought: God, not otherwise its picture. No, excellent wood relief, perhaps the XVII century, the apostles. Ok. A Zurab him: "Well, Ilya, we're old friends! Now together somehow portrait Shilov write! "All choked ... A Glazunov, I think, which rushed a: soon the election of academicians, he hoped that, perhaps, of its corresponding member but as an active member transferred. And with Shilov they hate each other. Fiercely!
- Because of what?
- Solntse in nebe adno! "- The words of Lawrence P.. There can be one country two great artists.
- And what Nikas Safronov?
- Well-oo-oo! This is a trifle ...
- And here the other day I was at the opening of his exhibition at the Library of Foreign Literature, so it Ms. Genieva, director of the cultural institutions, such praises sung ... Why are all the same audience, even the educated, well-read, the best museums in the world looked like, still lags from the same Shilov with Glazunov?
- There are, of course, is not what it used to. Still, their "bloom" was in the seventies, eighties. And the success is due to the fact that they liked the crazy man in the street. Enthralled not quite primeval people, but also the intelligentsia. Shilov in the eyes of many - classic portraits. Almost Bryullov, you know. Almost Kiprensky. Psevdoklassichnost work Shilov was just at the level psevdoznany hundreds of spectators. And it's just bad professionally done. Painting petty, smooth, without the broad strokes, without cabinet pads, fluid and not lepyaschaya and colored form. It is not that grand portrait. Front portraits, thank God, there have been good. And these, perhaps even with pictures taken. Of course, I can not prove the documents, but believes that photomethod. Very simple: canvas is taken, takes a slide, projected and prescribes. You still want some tea?
- I want to. By the way, I had a temptation on the road for you to buy chocolates with a picture of the Shilov on the box, but still prefer a neutral risunochek - did not know how you react to such a performance ...
- I would have eaten with great pleasure! You know, on the other pictures and say: "candy box". In my opinion, Shilov his salon painting there is the place.
- And his gallery opposite the Kremlin!
- Well, let him be. He in fact potraflyaet Luzhkov.
- Listen, Princess! You for your question fans of the court painters of the stones at the windows had not yet thrown?
- No. I never write just abuse, it is mediocre, rotten, never take my criticism to the scandal. When all the science is interpreted, it is difficult to object. I'm on the formation of a theater artist, many working in this field, I know the nature of creativity. A Glazunov, I suspect, was a very even happy.
- Your Texts - it is a monument to him!
- Well, have I had to peel with Ilya Sergeyevich good money. What is it vain to advertise?
- Maria Andrey, that we all spend too much time the two names, as you, in principle, to contemporary art is?
- And I do not know what a "modern art"! Now you'll excuse me, collapsing like a bazaar. Go out to the Crimean bridge - all genres, all directions. Imitation. Glazunyatiny - as you want, please! Anything for the soul: from the goat to Kulik Shilov. Incidentally, it is very close to converge ... There are very good artists. Such as Hilarion Golitsyn, May Miturich, Nikonov, Smolin, generation of the 70's, and now they are adequately working. And the older generation die century - the remains academic, "villagers". They write, as written before, only now - churches, portraits of the metropolitans. Everyone now-a-Orthodox Equal ... Style "Russe". Old-Mourier. And young people completely baffled. On the one hand - the aforementioned comrades, and with another - the vanguard, who argues that in the XX century, all realistic art has knowingly totalitarian, and for them XX century - only the vanguard of everything else - dark and Socialist Realism. They say, and Tabor, and "Leaving Russia" Corina - is Socialist Realism. Here young and toss and turn: the living? how to live?
- And what you think of Komar and Melamid say?
- They're not listed. Sots Art is dead, along with "Socialist", he was a shadow. And what they do in America, I do not know.
- Ok, let's say you have a video link Andrei Voznesensky about it?
- Oh! I wish he wrote poems ... It all looks very piteously. Dilettantism ... There is no criterion of quality, craftsmanship, craft. You can do what you want and claim that this conception. And feel free to display, publish.
- How great a tavern?
- I Ilyusha Kabakov know from childhood, he is clever and cunning, and I think he just scoffs: "Would you? Take it, choke! "Did you see his albums in which the white pages one after another, then to one - that such moshechka, but on the next page is written:" Ivan Petrovich had a row with Marya Ivanovna, and again the white field? Or suddenly pasted his old pattern for a children's little books, only muzzle cut. And clever art will explain to you: this concept of world philosophy, you've been given the opportunity to become a sponsor, and looking at the white page, imagine what you want ... Emperor's New Clothes! And you and I can make an album, and more - business advertising.
- And without advertising artist can achieve success, fame, or necessarily have any side movements of the body to do?
- When life is difficult. But true artists never myself have not done any advertising. These live in a different plane. Of course, everybody needs money, all happy to fame, resonance, but I knew and I know many for whom it simply does not exist. Submit to Favorski thought about advertising! .. Sometimes the hype happened, but by itself.
- I heard Mikhail Shemyakin - a genius of self-promotion. How about that?
- Shemyakin - a gifted man, a professional. And otlivschiki him good. Bronze cast, grind - he knows how. His sculptures always looks cool. And good little statues, harlequins. But he, of course, a trader, a business friend. A trade needed a scandal, noise and sensation. In Shemyakin situation is precarious, he's got on a wave of dissent, when went to work abroad. And it passed, and Shemyakin loose here, Luzhkov is dancing around, hoping that he perepadet any zakazets and around Zurab ...
- Let us about our Zurab Konstantinovich talk. You do Tsereteli long have you known?
- His work, I knew a long time, but we were not familiar. And somewhere in the 80's, long before "Peter", invited me one day at a secret gathering. They said they will meet in Moscow architects and muralist to talk about the state of monumental art in our difficult, transitional time. Well, I came. It turned out that none of the monumental problems nobody cares, and this is a conspiracy against Tsereteli. Military Council - how to turn out from Moscow. Quality issues no one was interested, just at the Moscow Architectural mafia invaded Georgians and snatch a piece of cake. Good snatched. Catching orders Poklonnaya Hill. And we need to eliminate it. I listened to it. She was gone. After a call from the Union of Artists, then with the television - it's time to speak. After the fourth or fifth call, I dialed the number myself Tsereteli: "Zurab! I'll protect you. I am not running in the pack and mafiyah not participate. And I can not buy. " Since it was not about creativity, but a pie, I was totally indifferent to who of the pie more otel. A baiting, and even on a national basis: the Georgians! stranger! - I did not like. I say, in such a part will not. And when they began to curse Tsereteli's sculpture composition devoted to the victims of war, even wrote a nasty article: that it was not only on May 9 and June 22. And then - the history of the monument to Peter the Great.
- A funny idea was: "Down with the king!" I remember, too, somewhere sticker stuck with the crossed sculpture. Vzbalamutila Marat Gelman Muscovites ...
- Let him live with his grandmother says that his concern appearance Moscow! Behind Gelman was Berezovsky, who wanted to make a nasty Luzhkov, and at the same time and Tsereteli. But Moscow has adopted a law on the referendum. Enough to collect 10 thousand signatures and we can arrange a citywide referendum like: "Do We Need the Bolshoi Theater?" These signatures Gelman and his guys would have collected as a pet, no problem. And Luzhkov panicked. Created a commission: on the one hand - Gelman and boys from the magazine "Capital", on the other - Tabakov, Yuri Senkevich, traveler, he is the chairman was Alexander Krutov of the Duma and me. They began to understand. Two months went to the "book", ie, in City Hall, the former Warsaw Pact countries. It turned out nothing was broken, and then after walking version: Tsereteli's sculpture brought back and put. No, Zurab knows what side of the sandwich butter. The architect he had Vavakin, chief architect of Moscow, and nine approvals were received. By the way, even a competition announced. Peter put his Kerbel. God knows what! Zurab compared with Michelangelo. Well, instead of a referendum and decided to hold two public opinion polls - from the mayor's office and by Gelman. And what happened to the most interesting: Gelman suddenly turned 180 degrees!
- There was talk that Luzhkov has decided to play safe and just "bought" Gelman! Really?
- One can only guess. But Gelman himself as a prostitute led. Poor his boys, they were orphans ... You see, it was a jubilee year for the capital, 850 years, and Luzhkov at a time to demolish a monument to the emperor was not with his hands.
- What is sociology?
- Sociologist from Gelman passed honest information, they coincided with our numbers. Nine-tenths of Muscovites believe that much if the monument is, it can not be broken, and so broke off. Do you know any sites like the Muscovites, most of all? The old - Pushkin and Gogol, and the new - too Gogol and Yuri Dolgoruky.
- Is it true that Tsereteli's Peter remade from Columbus?
- Put his head! Yes Zurab flowing creativity as a child! He'll hundred Petrov wrote it.
- It seems you are not indifferent to Tsereteli, but he has such a scandalous reputation ...
- Tsereteli - a good man! Generous, bright, energetic. It helps a lot of artists. Need money for treatment - take from his pocket and give. Boris Yefimov, a cartoonist, had cataracts, almost blind, he was taken by the hand and never undertook to operate because of age, and Zurab found paid. And a hundred roses on his 100-year anniversary presented. In this manner Tsereteli - a bit that brings armfuls of roses. Yes, a businessman, knows how to earn money. A lot of politics breeds. He is such cazzo - everyone sees it, hear it all. Then he took here at the palace of the generals under the exhibition halls of the Academy. Tastefully, though he did not always ... But painting a Tsereteli good, and if you make a selection, so he did the painter of the first rank. And by "Peter" I'm indifferent to, let the cost - a place against the background of "Red October" with pipes to spoil anything is impossible. In general, "Peter" in the wrong place, closely there, he would stand in the vastness of the river ... But you must understand: I'm never going to praise something that I do not like, but what one likes, has always supported.
- To you, as much to the specialist, our rich people turn for advice: what pictures to put in money, but what for anything in the world?
- I to these terms of business do not have. Other people at one time was an expert. There is a remarkable man, Sergei Grigoryants, a famous dissident, he was a great connoisseur of art, a collector of high class. He has a wonderful collection. And I was his consultant, found experts who could give an opinion. Now no longer do it.
- And who would you suggest to buy now? After first Russian merchants bought more of unknown Matisse and Picasso, and now their paintings - a small fortune ...
- In those days it did not completely random. It was clear that a serious matter, and they understand that risk is justified. And now I do not see this phenomenon in Russia. I can not say: in one way or another artist of the future. Today, more profitable to buy the classics. Classic will not go anywhere. And it makes sense to buy good things artists of the second series of the late XIX - early XX century. Their names are not so famous, but they will remain.
- Well, what about the "kings"?
- Shilov not worth buying. There will always be new Shilov.
Vlad VASYUHIN
http://www.ogoniok.com/archive/2001/4676-4677/01-58-61/
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