Facts about the First and Second World Wars ...

- Themes are really relevant and just my fund of historical perspective, in cooperation with the commission that you just created is now preparing a collection of articles written on new archival documents. And applications to this edition will be published, also given to us specifically for the publication of documents from the archives of Soviet foreign policy - the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - and even something from the archives of the Foreign Intelligence. The fact is that not so much causes of the war is disputed, but in the last ten years, it seems to me not to notice it may only just have a small child, changing the interpretation of the meaning of war, which for us, of course, is the Great Patriotic War. Because the debate about good or bad was the state when an external enemy attacked, trampled your land, wants to turn you into a slave, take away your land, there to settle their colonists, inappropriate. Because the trouble did not happen with the state, political institutions, with the Fatherland. And so the question was - will have our own history, we can choose, when you make mistakes, falling into error, experimenting, or, conversely, reaching for something. This question - or not to be - was then.

So I think that any people on their land against outsiders fighting only for their country, whatever the symbols may have been on the banners. And they are always those which at that time in the state symbols. Therefore incorrect to say that we fought for communism, for example, although perhaps it is colored by many their attitude. Because my mother, WWII partisan, 21-year-old teacher, beauty, being in the occupied territories, so in the first two months (it's Smolensk region), fighting for the same fatherland, which had fought for my grandfather, her father, full of George Knight , ensign of the Russian army in the First World War.

- without any ideological subtext?

- Of course. Now they say, for some time, probably somewhere in the 70's, when the changed strategy of the West in relation to our country, began to say that the war, it turns out, was conducted for the American democracy. The main crime of Hitler - it's not even claim to the territory, the people who have never in my life were not in the orbit of German history, not even the main racial doctrine, and the lack of democracy. That's totalitarian regime. I begin to speak - have fought two equally odious totalitarian monster. Think what deceit. Because of the cold war, and I just wrote my dissertation about the times when the very sharp was the relationship between the two blocs, and in their internal development work, and she and the other party considered the possibility of a general war, the reproach each other, so-called psychological warfare - it was quite evident. Ideological - there is a free world, democracy, and we have communism. Both ideas have sought to present itself as the aspirations of all mankind, and why, this ideological struggle was comparable to the religious wars between Catholics and Protestants.

This is the new, in the twentieth century. Because the earlier contradictions are recognized as real contradictions between the States - landlocked, there is indefensible of the borders, economic zone of any. And the country, not ashamed, frankly, that's their national interests dictate that the Straits were not locked, or, conversely, that Britain has always wanted to lock up the straits to Russia. Hence all Katabasia in the Balkans, the Eastern question, and so on. Even in this period, no one ever in the West, neither politics nor political scientists, first, never identified Nazism and communism. In political science, Western science is considered opposites.

- At that time?

- Yes, yes. And suddenly here are aktsentiki my eyes, and it turns out that we were equally disgusting to Hitler and the war was over American democracy. So, they try to put as the symbol of universal evil of all time - is now the Soviet Union of the Stalin period - and are looking for anything that was similar in Germany. But I'm in my books, and I'm not the only one in the west of honest historians argue against such anti-scientific comparison. Communism aimed to bestow benefits the whole world. Universal equality. On this altar had to put all the national and the Bolsheviks did not hide the fact that for them fagot Russia to set fire to it, we must sacrifice. Any proletarian in Latin America was more expensive than your own landlord, who had to drive, kill, etc. And Hitler's racial doctrine is declared natural neravnorodnost people and nations. That is, people are not equal. You know, this is Dostoevsky, Raskolnikov - that I, a dumb beast, and I, who have the right - the Germans, Teutons. And the goal was to put the world at the feet of one of the nation and turn it into a race of lords. I could not be more different? And now, quietly, over the past ten years, almost certain to blame, so to speak, the configuration of the war, quietly, especially in the media, scientists do not, we must do justice, ethics of scientific communities in the West are much higher than in the press.

- The press does not communicate itself, and communicates with scientists ...

- Of course. Nevertheless, in the books you do not find it, but gradually the emphasis here is such that, if not the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, that means, here ... And actually now we are preparing these materials and show that it was within all of this 39-year. And in general, we pose the question - who defined a periodization of the Second World War. Why the attack on Poland is considered the beginning of the Second World War and September 3 at once Britain declared war on Hitler. Well, it makes her honor, she is the only Western powers had fought Hitler from now. U.S. came much later, just after Pearl Harbor. Moreover, many historians believe that Roosevelt knew that would bomb, and sacrificed the color of aviation - in order to have an excuse to go to war. Well, the end is not proven, but many serious historians think so. And the data are out there. Here, it is a credit to Britain, but you can not declare war not only because the event that you yourself did not participate in it. It is somewhat presumptuous, after all. By this time Italy had invaded Albania. A few years earlier, in Abyssinia, in North Africa, which the Italians had great views, wanting to make the Mediterranean a ring in his possession, the doctrine of the Marais Nostra - our sea. That's here in Albania, the coast okoltsevat all means. In Abyssinia, they used chemical weapons and 200 thousand in the pains of hell have been ruined. League of Nations tried something there cooed, Roosevelt once said - we are neutral. And even Britain did not support sanctions against Italy.

By this time Hitler devoured Czechoslovakia. That is, the Far East, Japan has already put the Japanese invaded Nanking, slaughtered there every tenth resident and general loss of China at that time were already more than 15 million, and China lost a total of 35 million. But for some reason, Western historians have not read the Chinese losses in total losses of the war, as if the Chinese are not people. Here is Eurocentrism, he, of course, manifests itself. And we put the question that's giving these new documents, how the Soviet Union sought and the last four months before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, that you read these reports, the talks, Maisky, Litvinov, Molotov, etc., again, the British changed the text general declaration, again wriggled and etc. Poland does not want to take part in any configurations, against Germany. Poland is drawn entirely innocent victim. Like, if not the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which were defined spheres of influence, Hitler would not have gone to Poland. Sorry, the documents show, and the Soviet leadership knew - March 1, not in August, when the pact, and on 1 March was a date for the attack on Poland. And the Poles, all these four months, you know, is doing what? Polish Foreign Minister Jozef Beck Russophobe, a part of a very elite of the Polish anti-Russian, the followers of Jozef Pilsudski, who had in the 20 years just wanted to march on Moscow, he also arranged a trip to Kiev, he was crowned with a laurel wreath Stefan Batory for his campaigns against Russia. The dream of revenge. Jozef Beck was negotiating with Hitler, trying, offering themselves as allies, in order to conquer the Ukraine to Poland was from sea to sea. What a dope should have been in Poland, which, of course, is sandwiched between the Teutonic and historically Russian, and did not like either of those or others, to think that Hitler would make war and intends to put his own life in order to Danzig became Gdansk? Gdansk he was due to our army. And all these documents we are now all open and giving. And I think that is just the task of the commission - not ban someone for something to write, but she does not and can not, let us take these empty talk. This is not a state, this is a deliberative body that can only make an inventory of problems and boost, perhaps, to mobilize scientific resources, information, and to provide as many documents to initiate the writing in some sort, to declassify and ask to expedite declassification of documents. Why about the First World War is very appropriate now, too, remember? Without an understanding of the outcome of the First World War is very difficult to understand why the Second World War began.

- Do not dodelili, perhaps?


- Lenin, which I particularly did not complain, so to speak, but he can not refuse in the historical sense. He just said - the Treaty of Versailles contained a grain of most of the war. What is Europe after the First World War? Hastily tailored to the English templates, with the number of states that had not previously existed on the map ...


- Why in the English templates?

- Because the Versailles system, ie, the conference, which the postwar world was working out in the Palace of Versailles, so the Versailles system - it has become a term such as Yalta and Potsdam. And fashioned Anglo-Saxons - Lloyd George and Roosevelt, or rather, his enigmatic assistant on all cases, Colonel House, which still many mysteries all. They are deciding the fate of this. Because France was so very broken up, she was a theater of military operations, that she most cared about reparations. But not on the geopolitical picture. Austria, Hungary raschihvostili to pieces - created state of Czechoslovakia, before she did not exist, people may be, this and do not know. Romania did not exist, Hungary never before existed. Their boundaries were drawn by the great powers, as they wanted, does not coincide with the aspirations and the same people. So everyone thinks that Hitler and Stalin, there is some drew up new boundaries, which until then no one did - this is ridiculous. I, as a historian, I can download that in general, especially the secret diplomatic negotiations, but in general on this subject and conducted.

- about how to divide the territory?

- Of course. After Napoleon's forces at the Congress of Vienna the great powers - Austria, Russia, Britain - traced the borders of Europe. Did you give such a special strategic mountain passes of Switzerland, so they do not got no big dynamic power, or we may then be in Germany from the Baltic Sea to the Mediterranean, but it should not be allowed, it is too strategically important. After the Crimean War, also features. After the Russian-Turkish war, the liberation of Bulgaria in 1878, is the Congress of Berlin when they just traced their state borders, nobody asked ...

- You say that, as on the map ...

- Yes, yes. Further, the First World War, Austria entire raschihvostili, with whom you can have independence, and who can not. Here are the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes were forced to live together in one state. They were created Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, Slovenes - tied Croats hate Orthodox and pulling to the west of Germany, with the Serbs, who are dragging the contrary, to Russia, to Orthodoxy. Two civilization, so to speak, the frontier.

- But they were under the Austro-Hungary, then under the Italian, Venetian ...

- No, no, in general, the fate of the Balkans at the turn of 20 century - it is liberation from the double yoke. On the one hand, Austria - as a representative of the West, it was a defensive wall against the Turks, among other things, for Western Europe. On the other hand, the Turkish Ottoman Empire. And these poor Balkan nations, they are inevitably released. And so the great powers could not allow that they were released and formed as they like, they were drawing these boundaries. God forbid, will form large homogeneous state, then all Catholics will focus on Germany - the Croats and Slovenes. And all the Orthodox in Russia, the Anglo-Saxons have nothing to do. This region is the rule. Britain intervened in all the treaties between Russia and all the Black Sea powers throughout the 19 th century, although neither one pound of British goods does not pass through the Black Sea straits. That's how important navigable rivers and ice-free ports.

- Why confused?

- Because the mistress of the seas was of the opinion that it is necessary to prevent the loss and gain position for an element of deterrence of these powers. So the British policy towards Europe has always been this - how to decipher the thesis that we have no permanent allies, have permanent interests. The challenge to prevent the attainment of a continental power predominant influence. Three centuries it competed with France. When Bismarck began to create a great Germanskuyu empire, Britain for the first three centuries was to support France against Germany. I remember a report of the Prussian ambassador Morengeyma 1886 in a shock lead central agency. Because he says - Britain in the event of war with Germany will support France. They did not believe three-century France and Britain - the main contradiction. Well, we go. So, Europe after Versailles between the wars - a hastily-cut, the borders, which never before existed. All this was in the making. The Germans were punished because of the First World War, they lost even their former way, the Germans for two of their unbridled ambitions "proofs on the host" lose every time as a penalty, not only won again, but the former property, which until then no one disputed . Lesson generally something. So, the Germans lost a lot, they were counting on something else. And they began to get rid of. Germany veymerskaya intellectuals, very similar, incidentally, in with us in the late 80's and 90's, vilified their own history as just ... It's a fact. Nihilism was full. And so was born the momentum of such a protest. But this gloomy Germanic genius, as in Block said, he could not give birth to anything Christian, but now this pagan doctrine of natural neravnorodnosti people and nations, the idea of the superiority of the Germanic race and now we see the results. From the outset, I can trace on the documents, but it's not just a conference, we - Britain, France, in general, the Western powers, terribly afraid that Hitler's expansion will be to the west. But Hitler refused to step by step from the decision of the Versailles system.

- That is, they wanted to return ....

- They realized that the appetites of its large and frightening that this expansion is inevitable and would, of course, to refocus it on the east. And that they do. And Munich agreement, in 1938, part of Czechoslovakia, signed by Chamberlain, Daladier, my God, it is a shame for the West. The anniversary was last fall. You have heard a lot in the west of this? But imagine what the whistle and racket is now about Molotov and Ribbentrop. And that's all. This is a shameful act, historians acknowledge that this shameful act. Because it is a sanction to Hitler to divide, just grab the sovereign State, and, at first just there to Sudeten region, and then immediately had already conquered the whole Czech Republic and received the patronage germanskogo people of the Czech people. And if you read the text of the Munich Agreement, the shame is that this is a frank curb the aggressor is not there any restrictions on the resistance of Prague, the Czechs even forbidden to keep industry, to remove any assets, that is, all must leave. These agreements have ruined those pitiful remnants of the system of collective security that had previously been. Everything was destroyed. The system of Russian-French agreement, the Little Entente. People do not know, but there were some elements that are expected there the joint action, it was all fully charged. Next - Poland. Do you think that behaving like an unhappy Poland? She immediately put forward his troops to Czechoslovakia and says - and some of us, the so-called Cieszyn Silesia, it is 400 years old in general was part of Austria-Hungary and Poland have never been. Nevertheless, Cieszyn Silesia come on ... By the way, Silesia, Poland, which we gave, against the wishes of the United States, people think that she had always been Polish, but it is 400 years old was considered a part of Prussia, well, really, is the result of centuries of such movement of the German nation but without a war, so to speak, to the east, there has always been a mixed population. And Yalta and Potsdam, even, or rather before that, we gave the Poles a third of their current territory. Well, could be a little, as they say, be more modest, and do not revile us for communism, which we have their reward. Well, awards, yes, but look here what I have an argument. So, we rewarded them what was in themselves and that they themselves considered the best in the world.

- So, from a pure heart?

- Next, if we talk about the repressive aspects of the regime, especially with a revolutionary project, which is always in the first period has a repressive money - that they have somewhere was 0.25 of what we had. Someone was there, too, of course, and in prisons, that's my uncle was in Stalin's camps ... it was common. Hitler was preparing for their role swineherd and maids, who are barely able to read in German pointers. Estonians and Lithuanians have been living in Engermanlandii and also no Latvia and Lithuania are not expected, especially Estonia, which has never had a state. From us they left violinists, filmmakers, professors, with the Academy of Sciences, with a complete set of engineering. That is, the full-fledged nations, who can continue their history as they want.

- They had their own culture yet?

- I mean, compared to the Hitler project, which would deprive them entirely is the status of the nation, as a subject of history of doing. So, the Poles immediately put forward a claim to the Czechoslovak and later on they all hoped for the same part of Vilnius. By the way, confirms this interview with one of the leading Polish historian Paul Vecherkovicha in 2005 in September. And not in some marginal newspaper, and in the main body of the Republic of Poland, such as our "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" - "Rzeczpospolita". He has openly complained that Poland before the war did not reach agreement with Hitler, otherwise ... Listen, otherwise our admiral, commander of Ryt Smyrgly with Hitler would have taken a parade of the victorious Polish-Germanic troops on Red Square. These are the words made to the west 20 years ago, the shock would be far more than the words of Ahmadinejad about Israel. But now it is politically correct. Hatred of Russia - is like an indulgence, which redeems the sins of any, that these dreams about missed alliance with Hitler. Well, why not deal with the falsification of history?

 
Another thing is that the fight should not prohibitions, of course, not some shouting, and documents. Here's my book was published for the anniversary of the Victory, to the 60-anniversary - "For what and with whom we fought." There, in a poster form, but all of the documents, so I challenge the identification of communism and fascism. That's my mommy, 21-year-old beauty and partisan. And the picture somewhere within 3 years after the concentration camps. Here is her grandfather, knight of St. George. Then came already documented serious book, where all these quotations, archival documents - a "Great War, of 20 centuries", which just shows the entire development of the international situation, from the First World War until today. It is with great pleasure, by the way, was transferred, despite the fact that I was there obviously defend, how to tell you, I'm not defending the communist regime, I was disappointed in him for a long time, but I've never been an enemy of the Fatherland, I always knew that navigable rivers and ice-free ports are equally important monarchies, republics, communists, Democrats. Von computers, fly to the moon, however, over the Kuriles as fighting. And American ships plow the ocean in the distance from their ... Bohemia, listen to me at a conference three days later signed a contract with me and now this book, it first came out in general in the Czech Republic, and later the Russian version did. And how they make! It is richly illustrated. From Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich to Trotsky and Lenin. French - please, here, I'm proud of. Because in the west, it seems to me, no work, a book which would have directly challenged them today, by this false rigging. Since scientists dispute was a very well respected. But in the newspapers, according to the canons of the ideological struggle, they had my job just shut up. But nerves snapped. Le Monde, Le Monde Diplomatique "," Le Figaro "that's a basement with my portrait of the great. There was a lot of poison, but in a mixture with respect. A journalist, Laure Mandeville, and in Russia, she was always very poisonous writes me long conversation. She said - oh, what is your dangerous polemicist sent. Natalia says - well, we do not teach you democracy, you do birthplace of democracy ... And while homeland robesperovskogo terror ... Well, this is the case. The French Revolution of victims per capita is still not surpassed by any regime - no Hitler, no other. And when the rural population in Britain was for a day or two cut there, say, 200 thousand just because of the fact that they are conservative and loyal to the king, refused to swear allegiance to all the country.


By the way, notice all revolutionists afflict always on the peasantry. Because the peasantry, it is the defining class of national culture. That bastion of conservative values and national spirit and culture. Although they may be a regionalist sentiment there, just to the shafts not stolen, as the majority of the peasants during the revolution looked puzzled at first about the Bolsheviks, then on white, etc. Nevertheless, in its way of life they reproduce the national culture and always conservatives.

- Natalia, we still go back to the events of World War II. Now if there was not that the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, as in general it would be?

- In recognition of even Henry Kissinger, who wrote a huge thick book, as a historian, and it is fairly well documented, "Diplomacy", she translated into Russian, he wrote that the skill with which Stalin ran his finger around Chamberlain can be drawn from textbook diplomatic art 18 century. We now give the story in the collection, Falin, Valentin Mikhailovich, he discloses such documents, the British were literally on the eve of secret negotiations with Hitler, was a plane, Goering was supposed to fly to London to sign a separate treaty with Germany. And three months so it was. So it would be? Hitler had been untied his hands full in the east. Why is it reinforced? All of our proposals have been - well, to sign the safeguards western borders of the Baltic countries and Poland. Well, that is, that Hitler could not go to the east. And this is the way to Russia, it is possible to attack only through these countries. No way. Other boundaries ensure other countries, but they do not. Simply open the door. And there, all the talks here about this, right now the dispute is. Hitler would have attacked us first. By this time it would be known, and I quote the report of the Roosevelt, his Cabinet that if there is a war between Hitler and the Soviet Union, America would not intervene until the start of the structural changes of the order. That is, until someone starts to win so that it at all then do not stop and he would be master of Eurasia. Britain would certainly not allow the Germans to their main rivals are always, and we somehow this does not always know that the British-Germanic contradictions ...

- even stronger than the British-French?

- Oh, that you, yes, this is very serious. They would not let him become the master of Eurasia, they would have started his bomb, would have locked the straits. That is, although there was Italy, this is what should have been there to fight, because Italy, and the Germans, too, and the Caucasus is torn - oil and all that. And for the Brits is a key issue - the Straits to prevent them under control. They only because of the Entente to take us in the First World War, because the Kaiser was building a railroad Berlin-Baghdad and the British sea routes discounted entirely. But they would have waited until the Germans were pushed back to us, and we were not quite ready for war. It's a myth that we were going to attack them first. The fact that we were prepared, of course, it was obvious to everybody, all breathed war. Here we read the documents are real, not propaganda, and with that, and on the other hand, all discussing - on whom the first go. And the fact that both sides will be a war, it was obvious to all. And the diplomatic struggle last year was - to whom first. And we ripped them off. And Kissinger acknowledges, said the measure achievement of Stalin - a rescheduling of the war. But even more configurations. Because the Anglo-Saxons could not enter into eastern Europe, because it was necessary to defend the West, he also initially went to the West. And that means they could not in Eastern Europe? So, after the victory they could not afford to Eastern Europe because there we were in the force configuration. A mastery of Eastern Europe, creating between Germans and the Russian buffer is not smaller independent states from the Baltic to the Black Sea - is the main geopolitical strategy of the Anglo-Saxons for the entire 20 century. Therefore, as there was then not start the Cold War? Because again, Eastern Europe was, until then she was under the control of Germany, now under the control of Russia. And they would have waited for us in the tundra not be pushed aside and, of course, then they would in the end the Germans pressed, but we would never have allowed to return to our historic western frontiers. That is, the European part, that is torn away to Ukraine ...

And in general, everything that happened in the 91-m - it would have happened, but still in full rout. So for us it would be the end of our history, absolutely. With regard to the territories in which after the Covenant entered our troops and returned? Let's see, that's what this western Ukraine, which calls Poland and Svanidze also called Eastern Poland. Actually it is a territory seized and occupied by Pilsudski in the 20 th year. This territory Russia Empire. And part of Ukraine and Belarus Pilsudski reason, too, not branded as a crime of the century. A return to the communist power, but in the bosom of the historic State Rossiyskogo - it somehow ... but a piece of Bukovina, which is now really was not until the First World War, Russia, the rest of it was our territory, captured by Pilsudski. Next - Bessarabia. Romania captured its 18 th year, despite the Treaty of Berlin. And by the way, if the Baltic countries and signed by the Bolsheviks gave them independence in the 20 th year, the seizure of Romania and Bessarabia is not consistently recognized from the outset. That is, it pravovosstanovitelny act was general. Therefore, it is the end of our history would be. Therefore, war was inevitable on both fronts. And this break, which we were given, it could be ... Oh, and, of course, the Serbs, that we should be thankful, even though many of our liberals say - that we now sympathize with the Serbs, we are always all over them ... But not from the for them, but because of the geopolitical situation of the Slavic peoples in the strategic region of the Balkans and the Straits.

Hitler imposed the Serbian Government neutrality pact in March, people took to the streets with the thesis "The best in the coffin than be a slave. All of this was. And Hitler 37 divisions there had, in general, started the resistance, and was postponed Barbarossa plan for six weeks. So I do not know what would have been to Moscow, if not June 22 as, say, in April and May was an attack. And it is the Serbs who, incidentally, of all European nations, except the peoples of our historical Russia the state, mostly lost in the resistance to Hitler. Every 12-th. We Belarusians lost the most - generally considered to statistics. And of all non-Russian peoples - Serbs, every 12-th. Moreover, there should be saluted, even the struggle between ideologies, between the monarchists, the Orthodox and Tito's communists - they fought, but they were both allies of the coalition, they are not mired in collaboration with the occupiers.

  - Natalia, all of Europe knew that Hitler was preparing for war, the war will be on two fronts. And they could not unite to defeat him even in the bud? That is totally incomprehensible. If the strength of Russia, France, England ...

- Conflicts between states. Hitler's car was very powerful. Documents prove it. This is not some kind of my desire to protect and shield the Stalinist leadership. Far from it, and it took a lot of mistakes. I would have preferred our history without Lenin and Stalin, honestly tell you, although I admit that Russia at the time of the revolution was in need of extensive modernization of all aspects of her life. But it would be better without revolution, without them ... But the story does not know the subjunctive mood. I see that politics, particularly Britain, and is a major strategic force then, that the West was making up for all the projects, which intrigued ... It was - Hitler's turn to go there. Quotations are. And the leaders, so to speak, of the British elite and the leadership and government, that should be allowed Hitler to satisfy their appetites, ambitions in the east, then we have to protect themselves in the west, etc. That is, as that's the lion should throw a piece of meat and better, of course, that the meat was barbaric, that's our, you know. Not to mention the fact that this age-old desire to deprive us of the Baltic coast. Oh, if only to trace the British attitude to the acquisition of Peter the Great, so now they're enjoying the fact that 200 years after the Baltic states entered the orbit of the West. They would then still take back the Kaliningrad region - this is a dream. This is important, by the way, negative, very significant change in Europe. The fact that there is Poland or Romania, to be honest, this is no does not matter. But the Baltic states - is a strategic region that changed when Peter first came to the Baltic, this has made Russia a great power.

- With us came to be considered?

- Yes, we already have, without no gun in Europe did not shoot. And the dream we discard these items, of course, it is ... I'm in his great book "Russia and Russian in world history" - where I simply trace the relationship of the great powers of Russia in the big moments of cataclysm Russia - World War I, the Revolution, World War II, rebuilding and the disintegration of the USSR. You know, the lines of force of pressure just the same. A map of NATO expansion coincides exactly with the map Pan-Germanist 14 th year.

- Natalia, the advisers, here are the leaders of the State no historians. Perhaps if when Boris Nikolayevich here all these things do ...

- You know. There has been implicated that ... The fact is that Boris was a puppet of a certain ideological groups, which all his future lies with the pro-Western orientation. Although he had an intuitive, natural and proper attitude. In the communal apartment rooms were built in its own way. Should you share, it must be like something in common after all for justice.

Well, you know, actually, why the West so thrilled when the Soviet Union collapsed? Is communism was so dangerous for the West, precisely? But after the war really communism was attractive for non-Western worlds, which emancipated. The symbol of this was the victory of fascism and Nazism - is a sin in the eyes of the western world. And we won it. Therefore, communism was attractive, the fight for third world - all this was. By the 90 th year in the west of communism was absolutely safe simply because it totally unsuitable.

- is not popular?

- Yes. Jubilation was another reason. And Brzezinski, it expressed. Finally hated Russia collapsed empire. And not without reason that we were forced to pay for totalitarianism 300-year-old Russian history.

- What, in your opinion, why has not yet been declassified documents of staff and leadership of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) pre-war years in Soviet military archives and documents Stavka.

- I do not know. To think that the historian knows everything, especially history - vast ocean, each has its own certain period. But, in my opinion, as far as I know, part of the documents is constantly declassify. That committee, I believe my personal opinion, one of the goals of the commission - to stimulate, not just the wraps. There stamp something, but it does put the army officers who will make the so-called archaeographic processing, all this goes into a completely different form of storage. This is usually paid to put a huge army of people. And all this is postponed. Here's my personal experience in communicating with the archives - that documents some declassified, but I can not say they give you for publication, you can quote in full, simply because they have not been here this tape, which requires huge forces. And this is a disgrace. Because of the fact that we have been too much secrecy and mystery surrounding our foreign policy actions, people thought that we had sufficient legal basis for our position. And it was not always so. For example, I do not know why we hide the fact that the Americans supported the Kuril Islands to Japan. Moreover, during the signing of the Declaration on the Kurile islands, they all said that Japan has no right to discuss the ownership of islands, from which she declined in the San Francisco Treaty. But it is said - we will decide. They really should belong to Japan, but we will address at a conference of the participating countries of the San Francisco Peace Treaty with Japan, in which the USSR did not participate because China was ejected from the system, but we could not support the then China. In China we have thousands of 4.5-5 border. And China was totally revolutionary armed and mobilized, we are with him was then, this is not even because of the relationship of communist, but it was simply impossible. Moreover, supported by China, we have laid a 30-year conflict between China and the United States.


- And it gave free rein?

- Yes, the Far East. Otherwise, there would have been very hard for us because Japan has been completely occupied by the United States, and Brzezinski acknowledges that it was a big, our luck that we specifically went to the Korean War, to consolidate the enormous contradictions between China and the United States. Otherwise we'd have collapsed there.


- Natalia, why we remember so little about the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Red Army soldiers in the Polish prisoner of war in the 20-ies?

- I think it is totally unfair question. When they gave us all the time tychat Katyn, in which, incidentally, was Yeltsin's apology and that's enough to demand more, not to mention the fact that the researchers of this issue believe that he has not been fully investigated. It is our trail. But there is, and German mark. And we did - once, and all have undertaken. But there NKVD - yes. There is clearly some of the Nazi crimes and was also. And all this blind clod. Ah, so that in the 20 th year, there have been in captivity about 100 thousand, and they simply were starved, they were not fed specially. They just shot, or just watched them die ...

- This, too, was like a concentration camp, in fact?

- Yes, yes. And no it is not sane. And we always - an apology, apologies. Yes apologize for the invasion of Moscow in 1612, for the burning of Hermogenes, Patriarch of Moscow, for such confusion. And what did you do on the Belarusian land, and after the First World War and before that? Ibid hanged. Why this one Polish Catholicism? Another dichotomy between the Slavs and Latins ideological makes a very acute sense of all this, as that's Croats and Serbs - an epic, but so torn.

- Well, yes, before the Ukrainians, too, have to apologize for that ...

- Well, yes, yes. The SS is amazed by the atrocities it now Uniates these, Bandera, because, perhaps, the Germans and would like to rescind all the Jews or the Communists, but would have preferred, perhaps, by proxy. And these, they say, just enjoy, so cutting out the stars, hanging, killing, burning people. Yes, and it is time to do. Now I know, our Prime Minister was going now on a visit to Poland as a time. Now, if there is a start here - Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, they must submit dokumentiki like this that they did, they occupied these territories Pilsudski, as he wanted to do to reach Moscow, and much more. I think that in general that's the idea that it is necessary to each other to throw accusations of historical events and to demand an apology kneeling, it is incorrect. On the contrary, I always say to the Poles - we shared the past, but should combine the task of the future. Here you do not like Russian, and I regard me as a Russian nationalist, conservative, first and foremost - I applaud you, the Poles, because you only about defending Christian values in the European Constitution. Here, let us who are here to compete first.

  -Polyakov too many have died during the Second World War.

- Yes, but they, too, there was dissociation. Some sympathized with us, and someone tried in every way ... But then, that everything the government was progermanskim, and Beck was a portrait of Hitler, waist, stood in his office in the 39 th year - is a fact. He offered his services to conquer the Ukraine ...

- Thank you.


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