On the correctness of the list of "12 most expensive Russian artists"

[DimaB]

Probably not the first time, start talking about the one called "a Russian artist. Or even "artist of Russian origin.
If Chaim Soutine somehow may be attributed to the "Russian", though born and raised in the Belarusian town, probably in Russian do not talk, held in Russia Empire, only the first 20 years of life, but as an artist was formed in Paris, where spent the remaining 40 years. Well, let them.
But Tamara de Lempicka! Which met in Petreburge only 6 years old - from 14 to 20. And "professional" has already started to draw deep into exile, because of livelihood was not.
Or Mark Rothko, who left Lithuania, which never really Russianness did not differ in the age of 10 (according to other sources, 7) years. And, of course, no "Russia's artistic spirit" has been absorbed.
I understand that you want to look impressive against the backdrop of Records artists from other countries and nationalities. But, in my opinion, it gives a kind of inferiority complex.

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от DimaB

I understand that you want to look impressive against the backdrop of Records artists from other countries and nationalities. But, in my opinion, it gives a kind of inferiority complex.

Exactly. Similar to fraternize with all sorts of Sikorsky-Tsiolkovsky and Basil-Leontiev R & raised repeatedly. Since the beginning of this rating. When we have collected from Rothko at the head, the review for the merchant, we walked so too safe. A year later went to the exhibition "Russian Americans" and nothing, Rothko had already entered and no one is surprised. Let there be - not the worst environment. We're not blood they take the language test and is not satisfied. Yes, a stretch, but history will forgive us. Yes, and de Lempicka was unlikely to object, being in such company.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от DimaB

But, in my opinion, it gives a kind of inferiority complex.

 "Russian", regardless of their nationality in an age of globalization, a total of 21 century, I call those who were born (raised and educated in the USSR), who survived Socialism (or Stalinism), and everything connected with it, restructuring, and hyperinflation in 1990. ( After 1991 the-no opinion is another) And especially in the area pertaining to anti art ..

Russian is not nationality, "Russian" is the mentality .. For western-I "Russian"
(and I have always had problems with the "national identity") .. Even my husband calls me a Russian (and I'm in Russia was only a factor 4, and very briefly) ..
It is difficult vse.terminov not enough ...

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от DimaB

Probably not the first time, start talking about the one called "a Russian artist. Or even "artist of Russian origin.
If Chaim Soutine somehow may be attributed to the "Russian", though born and raised in the Belarusian town, probably in Russian do not talk, held in Russia Empire, only the first 20 years of life, but as an artist was formed in Paris, where spent the remaining 40 years. Well, let them.
But Tamara de Lempicka! Which met in Petreburge only 6 years old - from 14 to 20. And "professional" has already started to draw deep into exile, because of livelihood was not.
Or Mark Rothko, who left Lithuania, which never really Russianness did not differ in the age of 10 (according to other sources, 7) years. And, of course, no "Russia's artistic spirit" has been absorbed.
I understand that you want to look impressive against the backdrop of Records artists from other countries and nationalities. But, in my opinion, it gives a kind of inferiority complex.

You are wrong to define the motivation of the auction houses and dealers, which rank as one or other artists to Russian. They are driven by mere desire to sell their expensive pictures. We know that Americans are buying more American artists, British English and so on. Here and there are a number of Russian artists, those who have never they were not. Simply Russian buyers are trying to impose on artists who are not Russian, looking for any clues in the biography.
And about the inferiority complex I can tell you that the Russian art over the past fifteen years, so took off in price, as no national art never dreamed of! Russian artists are as many as are in charge of western tops! And, believe me, this is not the limit! Russian art market is very young and very Russian art underestimated. Although if there is a worthy thing, she immediately goes for serious money. Example the recent sale of Malevich ($ 60 million). A Russian artists such as Kandinsky and Jawlensky, (despite the fact that they lived in Europe, have always remained Russian artists) were valued in the past. You know, for historical reasons, Russian art remained, and remains little known to the world community. As soon as the circumstances will be overcome, Russian art will occupy the place which it is worthy. Eventually everything will fall into place, ie prices of Russian art will grow even more.

P.S. Most artists who are trying to "make the Russian," mediocre artists. I will mention, for example, all the same Tamara de Limpitska. Her Russianness just a far-fetched, but the Russian avant-garde artists such as including plenty of people of different nationalities absolutely Russian artists. Russian - is a long time more than nationality, membership in a particular culture.

[Pavel]

Treat yourself to a Russian identity with the great state. Chaim Soutine considered himself Russian as himself Rothko. Lithuania has always been part of our country and its disconnection the result of 1-world and anti-state activities, and therefore the criminal forces. Petr1 said paternal lands, and they voted for the accession in 1940. Result detach any fool can see.
Incorrectness rather in prices.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Tjutchev

Russian - is a long time more than nationality, membership in a particular culture.

But the most curious fact that the Ukrainian Arts (in the light of recent discussions), with its infantile ridiculous anti-Russian outbursts (in the home often in pure Russian) for the West, too, Russian Art ...

[LCR]

This is really an interesting question. The French, however, decide it simply: Nicolas de Stael = French painter of Russian origin - though he has lived in France for 15 years, no more, and was naturalized after the war (in 1939 for lack of citizenship, he volunteered in the Foreign Legion) and he himself, when he was somebody wrote in a letter that he is de great French artist, responded, "Well, the French, it will be clear after my death ..." even fantazmiroval about to leave with his family in the USSR.

Jules Paskin (people with the truth is difficult to determine the nationality) is also considered a French artist, although I'm not even sure that he had French nationality, etc., that is, as soon as some people creative profession reaches a certain stage of fame, it is introduced in terms of national geniuses - a human being is understandable

But the curious thing: in the references to the musicians can read that Sviatoslav Richter and David Oistrakh is now the number of Ukrainian pianist and violinist, in a time when the same references, Vladimir Horowitz and Jascha Heifetz are defined as an American pianist and violinist of Ukrainian origin, and my beloved friend of the pianist and composer Alika Rabinovich, accidentally born in Baku, generally called the Azerbaijani composer.

Probably, people always tend to be proud of coming from his country, attained fame abroad, in general, to be ashamed of this, in my opinion, it is not necessary, but should try to find out how people defined themselves, how deeply he felt their relationship with their historical motherland (you can to say that she had become a rather strong). I can say from personal experience: people who moved to live in another country, it is difficult to define itself: with the French we say "they are Russian, with Russian -" they, the French ... Thus here

Yes, and more: it also happens that in the transition into the category of "artists of Russian origin, the price of the order of increase. Of course, I do not mean Rothko or de Stael, but look, there is, for example, that the artist Mel Mutter, a Polish Jew who lived in Paris, her paintings have long been exhibited frequently traded with relatively stable prices, and a few days ago I saw a a directory that it is finally listed as didst join the order of Russian artists (I have long waited for this moment, one of my friends have her picture, which he would like to sell). If promotion is skillful, then I bet that within a few years it will significantly improve Quotation

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Pavel

and they voted for the accession in 1940. Result detach any fool can see.

P A V E L. .. S T O P!

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от LCR

Yes, and more: it also happens that in the transition into the category of "artists of Russian origin, the price of the order of increase.

Naturally, because it speaks of a certain quality! О принадлежности к великой культуре!

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от Tjutchev

Of course, because it speaks of a certain quality!

It's a shame that this "some money", you raspaznaete only after a successful promotion or "adoption" of the next prorussicha .
And before that he /she will pass on the artistic horizon as mediocre nemchata or French.
The paradox of art called .