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Старый 26.09.2009, 22:25 Язык оригинала: Русский       #1
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По умолчанию Help identify the author natyurmotra

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I have here a natyurmotr, which I like.
However, the artist who created it, it seems not at all worried about having his name on the painting descendants could read. On the one hand, I just want to know that I have, on the other hand, this passionate bouquet at my unenlightened opinion deserves to identify its author.
Maybe someone familiar with that signature? She painted with a brush so thick that I was even the first letter I can not define! I see only the "Y" in the end. Maybe you know this style? This hand?
The picture is not old - with my t.z somewhere in 50's and 60's.
Maybe by a woman? Because the thing is very stormy and emotional. It seems that the author wrote it in one breath, in one emotional outburst ... By the way - basically it was not written with a brush - not znayukaknazyvaetsyaeta stick used by painters for the thick paint. Emerge from the head a spatula ...
Colors in the photo course garbled - in real life they are warmer and more saturated.
In short, I shall be very grateful if I could find the name of PC.
Although would help determine the direction in which you want to dig ...
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Старый 26.09.2009, 23:21 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2
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Painting, in my opinion, pose no such artistic value, strictly speaking.

Thus, the picture as a picture.
Nothing spoils, if hanging on the wall, kitsch is not.

In Paris, this can be sold at Drouot hardly more than 80 euros, and it is unlikely.



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Старый 26.09.2009, 23:25 Язык оригинала: Русский       #3
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Thanks, of course, after all - de gustibus non disputandum est ...
I am certainly no expert, but from now bloshinorynkovskuyu art galleries - flatter myself - I can tell ...



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Старый 26.09.2009, 23:49 Язык оригинала: Русский       #4
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Thank you, of course, after all - de gustibus non disputandum est ...
I told you as a historian of arts, obektivku, so to speak.



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Старый 27.09.2009, 00:35 Язык оригинала: Русский       #5
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Dear Igor, I do not want to move away from the topic I'm interested in philosophical jungle - but you sprotivorechili themselves - obektivka "as you put it, and in my opinion (not vzala exact quote from your neglect commentary) - are two completely different categories .
The fact that you do not find this picture interesting and artistically valuable, your personal opinion of the historian of art, as you called yourself. And as any opinion, it can not be objective in nature. You taught art historian as a basis of philosophy?
I have nothing against your opinion. I am far from your professional skills, but I'm sure that on any art-known name among your fellow art could flare heated battles on their interesting and artistic value ... Is it not? Just today, with interest ran on about the Russian avant-garde ...
particularly recommended to read that your colleagues writing art historians in the response to the first exhibition of avant-garde association ... How many were those who saw in them the artistic value and interest for the future?
If this painting was was bought at a flea market - I would absolutely not interested in the question of its authorship, it would simply just liked me and everything. But this picture is very "noble" origin, namely - bought from the heirs of a Hungarian professor by the way your colleagues, who died in the beginning of this century in the age well for 90-some years ... And from what I know about his collection, he is not at flea markets, bought his paintings.
Maybe after all I could hear something more substantial ...



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Старый 28.09.2009, 14:33 Язык оригинала: Русский       #6
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bought from the heirs of a Hungarian professor by the way your colleagues, who died in the beginning of this century in the age well for 90-some years ... And from what I know about his collection, he is not at flea markets to buy his paintings
Parmenio, unfortunately, help you with something specific I can not sign me, this is not familiar. But it seems that you have correctly identified themselves only while actually viewing a line search. Try to learn more about the collection from which you purchased the work, especially on the still life in it. It is possible that the names of famous authors whose works were there to help you navigate.
Council is not the most valuable, but so far, in my opinion, the only possible one.
Incidentally, the forum has members from Hungary. Perhaps we should wait until your post will fall their way.



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Старый 28.09.2009, 15:27 Язык оригинала: Русский       #7
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That's the maximum that could "pull" from your photos using Photoshop. Progress is small. It is possible, assuming that the signature was made in Cyrillic, with a great deal of imagination to read it as "Lischiner" (Mikhail Ivanovich Lischiner, 1912 - 1992), but not really the signature resembles the signature Lischinera. And while there "Y" at the end? Yes, and "Z" Is it? Maybe "46"? I am more suspect that the signature on your picture made with the Roman alphabet capital letter "S". Alas, nothing more can not help: (.
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Старый 28.09.2009, 21:55 Язык оригинала: Русский       #8
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Dear Allena and Amateur,
First - many thanks for your answers.
Amateur - unfairly in my You've selected yourself a nickname, the result of your help at the call of the same as I applied for it - even a very impressive ...
Reading your, Allena, council, at first I thought it was unlikely that he will bring me to unravel. Because writing about the source of the acquisition of this painting, it was a "collection", I expressed some ill - probably more correctly be called a collection, or rather the result of a rather chaotic collection ... At least no particular ideas and concepts in the selection of the paintings left behind by this man's life I could not catch ...
Although later reflection, I realized that I should tell you thank you very much for the idea.
After all, with this picture, we bought there, and several other Russian still life, according to the stylist, too, from the end of the 50's beginning 60-ies. Other authors have to worry more that their signatures can be read - remember some of them: Yumashev, Voronin, Ryazanov, Ferenc ... Of these, more or less lit up the market Yumashev, according to the bases of the site and the site sovkoma. The rest of them remains unknown to the market ...
Perhaps the author of this still life is destined to remain unknown, as those pilots who were sitting in the plane with Gastello ...
Maybe someday I'll have to look at these vnimatelnee viewed of the names and reflect on how they could be together in the basement of his grandfather in Germany, to pull out some thread that tangle and unwind.
Thanks again for the idea, Allena!



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