How to work an artist with a gallery and a gallery to work with an artist?

[Семен Семенович]

How to work an artist with a gallery and a gallery to work with an artist?
Ladies and gentlemen! The various themes of our (pozvodyu myself so to speak) forum in any way, as these issues arise. Perfect system does not exist. Every man and every structure, in varying degrees, and certain periods of time, feels the crisis.
Periodically want fresh "blood", new look, a bold non-standard solution.
Indeed, why, often, the artist can not find "his" gallery, a gallery - the artist? Eight years of experience allows me to make some conclusions. However, questions arise and more.
Let's share ...

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

How to work an artist with a gallery and a gallery to work with an artist?

How to work with your artist gallery or let us say with the gallery "Praha" in Prague? Gallery will always turn the artist in his advantage, giving him different, sometimes absurd, conditions of work. Let's talk about the conditions? : confused:

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA

where no one dictates to no vision, no strategy of advertising, where hudodniki need to pay for rent, but all have a profit (if you will)

But then this is not the gallery, just rooms where people expose the product of his labor (no referral, advertising, stock, etc.) In this case deals with an artist himself, and not about any of gallery work can not speak ...
 

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

what kind srtrudnichestve can generally be a question, if (from experience on the site) with them (owners of galleries, or those. Who for their own valuation) elementary unpleasant to communicate?

You know, do not sovsemi artists too pleasant to communicate. And if the gallery is engaged by the artist and his work (and its level of its suits), while personal relationships fade into the background. Copies also falls, I tell you ... And who said that it would be easy!

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Сообщение от Artem

Gallery will always twist the artist in his advantage, giving him different, sometimes absurd, conditions of work. Let's talk about the conditions?

You know, I do not understand what it means to twist in opposite directions. work with the artist on vzaitovygodnyh conditions and any imbalance leads to a breakdown in the relationship. Often artists are trying to dictate terms. Gallery did not complain about it. Simple misunderstandings are often found in the fact that the gallery for his work, too, should be rewarded. And not all artists understand this.
And the terms of cooperation are simple - I've written about them. If the level of the artist consistent with the general level of the gallery, a gallery - the artist's request, then, as a rule, cooperation is obtained.

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

But then this is not the gallery, but just space, where people expose the product of his labor (without the lines, advertising, stock, etc.) in This case deals with an artist himself, and not about any of gallery work is out ...
  I saw on another ...

You know, do not sovsemi artists too pleasant to communicate. And if the gallery is engaged by the artist and his work (and its level of its suits), while personal relationships fade into the background. Copies also falls, I tell you ... And who said that it will be easy!

Life is too short to waste it on unworthy communion.
(I understand) But I will not (MGE Buskadora quite enough, although I do not get angry, but do not intend to repeat the experience) .. Tyschi galleries everywhere, no place dye ...

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Life is too short to waste it on unworthy communion.
(I understand) But I will not (MGE Buskadora quite enough, although I do not get angry, but do not intend to repeat the experience) .. Tyschi galleries everywhere, no place dye ...

You извените me. I asked this theme is not for recrimination, but to ensure that views of other find a rational .. Maybe someone is would help too.
And it is absolutely not for recrimination and to ascertain the relationship (I do not know that you are there with the Buskadorom to find out).
Everyone knows that is not the place makes the man. However, in every country there are galleries, which tend to get artists, because it is already a certain level of artistic value and market value ...
It's like the actors getting into the picture may become a famous director's motion to fame ...

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

I think I can serve as an arbitrator in the dispute, art dealers and artists, because they do not belong neither to one nor the other.

Ungrateful thing - to be the arbiter for both sides. You know how in one of history: two drunken men fighting, police came to parted. Sober, stoned police and further sort things out ...: D

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

The ungrateful thing - to be the arbiter for both sides.

Would agree.

It is necessary to formulate a simpler - I just have my mind from the outside.

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

However, in every country there are galleries, which tend to get artists, because it is already a certain level of artistic value and market value ...

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How to work an artist with a gallery and a gallery to work with an artist?Semen Semenovich, surely you still have doubts that the "market value" and "artistic value" are one and the same?
  Maybe it makes sense to specify the concept? What gallery and What artist?
If you look not philosophising:

Everyone (formed), the artist is the "philosophy". A gallery is a "company" (not including charities) ..
But the gallery is not just a company, and the enterprise with your philosophy
red thread, which is money (and their quantity in the range from tiny one artist in the gallery basement to the network of galleries Saatchi ...
The difference is that Saatchi would never change his philosophy, and the "basement artist"-easily. (Especially if the "basement" of his property and he has something there, if not usually reeducated in the "superintendent")

The company avoids the risk (in other bankruptcy or undrawn profit)
The company sells something that is bought.
Buy what is in demand
(almost) No gallery would not even try to sell something that is not in demand. (or is not a "potential" demand)

Can I ask you to clarify what artists and what picture you had in mind on a particular topic?

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Did you still have doubts that the "market value" and "artistic value" are one and the same?

Certainly, there are always doubts. And for me there is not an equal sign (or only when you can write - the market value corresponds to the artistic value ...).

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Maybe it makes sense to specify the concept? Which gallery and what artist?

Here I do not understand the question ...

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

The company avoids the risk (in other bankruptcy or undrawn profit)
The company sells something that is bought.
Buy what is in demand
(almost) No gallery would not even try to sell something that is not in demand. (or is not a "potential" demand)

"Enterprise" - and risks, and deals that have not yet sold (the calculation for the future), and "makes" the artist, so he used the demand ... Everything depends on the purpose - simply to make money (for one and all) or to engage in the promotion of artists and to make this ...

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Can I ask you to clarify what artists and what picture you had in mind on a particular topic?

Here I would like to galereisty artists and shared their views on this issue. And, above all, they must be professional (I think) ...

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Сообщение от K-Maler

I knew a good artist, who for some time so worked, then declined to very creative reasons. He said that he begins to feel "obyazalovku", a sort of captivity ... "I want to look like, think ... and gnawing thought that I should ... that did not have time to date ..." So all is not easy.

I agree with you. But there is already a lot depends on the approaches. The combination of creative works and custom - gives artists the opportunity to more fully develop. Disproportion in one direction or another is fraught with (or move away from the profession and become a philosopher, or lose its identity and opportunity to grow ...).

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

I would like here to galereisty artists and shared their views on this issue. And, above all, they must be professional (I think) ...

Here again.
About the artists:
  Professional in realism, a professional in abstract art. professional in conceptual art, They're very different nature and they have different ....( a one-name "artist")
and sootnoshenie-hud.tsennost/rynochnaya cost is also very different.
(Figure Feshin on "Trinity" was worth as much as flshivaya spoon, for example)
all of them (artists) are called professionals at what point? (since the end of the institution. from the time of participation in exhibitions, from the moment of merchantability, from the moment of fame, since the institution's own students, with momennta find work in museums?) Who do you call "professional ?
About the curator:
Who is a gallery owner, a professional? (I do not know .. I have not yet come across.)

What tapes galleries, they are many and they are very different.
For me personally important personal qualities galeristki, psychological compatibility, look at art and philosophy of life. (Not yet found, and gallery owners, afraid)

Therefore, there is thought to organize "independent" group, similar in spirit to painters' works, which would not depend
in all aspects of the gallery. Interdisciplinary efforts of Alert (advertising) I see even very promising.
Seats (independent) available for rent too many. Main problems in the organization ..

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA

professional in conceptual art

Извените, if you here the word "conceptual art" is because of something like Hirst's installations, then there is another profession that does not have any relation to the artists.