Glamor in the art - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Veronic · 30-07-2009, 12:13

I want to talk about glamor.
as an example of several works of Arthur Braginsky.
My avatar and skull Hirst also come down, I think

(glamour) translates the word "veil" in English, and also can be translated "sorcery". In short, in England for glamor in the Middle Ages could well be at stake - if time does not run away to France with her veil.

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Эммануил Гедеонович · 30-07-2009, 12:40

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Originally Posted by Veronic

in England for glamor in the Middle Ages could well be on fire

For this I can forgive all Englishmen!
Even invented them, supposedly sport, boxing!
: D: D: D

Veronic · 30-07-2009, 12:59

Ok, another question, and you think that completely without glamor life would be much more interesting, maybe even correct? Without design, advertising, beautiful clothes, bright colors?
Всмысле if everything worked just naive and depressive forms?

Yaya · 30-07-2009, 13:04

Veronic, for God's sake, do not be offended (although perhaps this is impossible), but what you show, it's not glamor. Is the most obknovenny kitsch.

Veronic · 30-07-2009, 13:04

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Originally Posted by Yaya

Veronic, for God's sake, do not be offended (although perhaps this is impossible), but what you show, it's not glamor. Is the most obknovenny kitsch.

A glamor then what?

Черномашенцев Владимир · 30-07-2009, 13:19

The most famous example for me of glamor - mature works of Klimt. I have seen in Vienna in the museum Belverer his work in the original. In this museum, according to a guide, the best collection of Klimt in Vienna. He began as an average impressionist, and then began to paint portraits to order wealthy audience. Portraits of themselves (ie person) - done poorly, but everything leads to admire, marvel and admire! Nakako printing and Chinese do not give up this great Glamor! The ideas of Klimt's Vienna is now half continues to earn and deserve. Example - jewelry-jewelry company Frey Ville (Math., can make a mistake in spelling). By the way, for girls, a trip to Vienna and purchase FreyVille there will be cheaper than in Moscow, even given a ticket and a hotel. The massive use of Klimt in contemporary jewelry and objects of interior proves that it glamor.

Tastes Veronique, destvitelno, women. This can be seen in this example and the works of Chinese artists that I have seen from Veronique earlier. In my "proletarian, the Russo-homespun taste, perhaps it is kitsch, but not worthy of glamor. But Veronique nobody makes their bad taste. If you like it - good. We can not live in a house where there are clear masterpieces - tired. It can not always read only one Dostoevsky. Katya needed for interior - personally, I bought enough of these, I confess. Some of them are now perceive itself as kitsch.

Veronique accept my apologies, because obviously he could hurt. But not out of malice. I have such a taste.

Here are photos of the museum-Belvedere Palace. Photograph Klimt made no sense.

And photos of interiors of the palace - also was once the glamor, and now it is considered art. as Klimt. Deservedly.

NATA NOVA · 30-07-2009, 13:24

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Originally Posted by Yaya

This is the most obknovenny kitsch.

And I think that kitsch (in the Soviet sense) simply does not (this term refers to the era of the Iron Curtain and the public deficit) and in the consumer society, virtually all solid-kitsch (which mutates as influenzal virus and mimic, depending on the Fashion and preferences)
Anything can be called "kitsch" in zvasimosti of place, time and circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Veronic

A glamor then what?

But with the glamor of the problem (his description)
Briefly (mental definition) "glamor" is the (material) world, where there are no problems ..

Veronic · 30-07-2009, 13:25

The problem is that many do not share the notion of kitsch (which also recently emerged as a style, and some of its deliberate use), and glamor.
So I ask this question. Perhaps we can understand?
Preferably without needing to insult

And once again I repeat the question ..... Can we live without the beautiful stuff?
Try women get rid of them!

NATA NOVA · 30-07-2009, 13:26

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Originally Posted by Chernomashentsev Vladimir

The mass of Klimt in contemporary jewelry and objects of interior proves that it glamor.

Or kitsch? (maybe kitsch and glamor-biznetsy-brothers or 2storony of the same coin?)

Черномашенцев Владимир · 30-07-2009, 13:36

I as always, very personal definition of good glamor and kitsch. If you look, and it was like - it glamor. If you look, and feel ashamed to wear - is kitsch.
I love to buy my beloved wife jewelry - Swarovski FreyVille and others less known. Wonderful silver from the Moscow firm "Metaplastika. Very inexpensive (all at the price of gold, but good job, especially in their "Animal"). This - glamor and art, even art design.
And you can see from the Turkish gold with diamonds at the price of jewelry. This is kitsch.

30-07-2009, 12:13	Original language: Russian #1
Veronic Гуру Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Украина Мукачево, Венгрия Хевиз Posts: 2,165 Thanks: 1,793 Thanked 1,718 Times in 574 Posts Blog Entries: 4 Reputation: 2879	Glamor in the art I want to talk about glamor. as an example of several works of Arthur Braginsky. My avatar and skull Hirst also come down, I think (glamour) translates the word "veil" in English, and also can be translated "sorcery". In short, in England for glamor in the Middle Ages could well be at stake - if time does not run away to France with her veil. http://culture.trend.az/topic_open.s...&article=1 Attached Thumbnails

30-07-2009, 13:19	Original language: Russian #6
Черномашенцев Владимир Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Россия, Москва Posts: 875 Thanks: 1,092 Thanked 1,380 Times in 500 Posts Blog Entries: 12 Reputation: 2190	The most famous example for me of glamor - mature works of Klimt. I have seen in Vienna in the museum Belverer his work in the original. In this museum, according to a guide, the best collection of Klimt in Vienna. He began as an average impressionist, and then began to paint portraits to order wealthy audience. Portraits of themselves (ie person) - done poorly, but everything leads to admire, marvel and admire! Nakako printing and Chinese do not give up this great Glamor! The ideas of Klimt's Vienna is now half continues to earn and deserve. Example - jewelry-jewelry company Frey Ville (Math., can make a mistake in spelling). By the way, for girls, a trip to Vienna and purchase FreyVille there will be cheaper than in Moscow, even given a ticket and a hotel. The massive use of Klimt in contemporary jewelry and objects of interior proves that it glamor. Tastes Veronique, destvitelno, women. This can be seen in this example and the works of Chinese artists that I have seen from Veronique earlier. In my "proletarian, the Russo-homespun taste, perhaps it is kitsch, but not worthy of glamor. But Veronique nobody makes their bad taste. If you like it - good. We can not live in a house where there are clear masterpieces - tired. It can not always read only one Dostoevsky. Katya needed for interior - personally, I bought enough of these, I confess. Some of them are now perceive itself as kitsch. Veronique accept my apologies, because obviously he could hurt. But not out of malice. I have such a taste. Here are photos of the museum-Belvedere Palace. Photograph Klimt made no sense. And photos of interiors of the palace - also was once the glamor, and now it is considered art. as Klimt. Deservedly. Attached Thumbnails

30-07-2009, 13:36	Original language: Russian #10
Черномашенцев Владимир Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Россия, Москва Posts: 875 Thanks: 1,092 Thanked 1,380 Times in 500 Posts Blog Entries: 12 Reputation: 2190	Between us, girls. I as always, very personal definition of good glamor and kitsch. If you look, and it was like - it glamor. If you look, and feel ashamed to wear - is kitsch. I love to buy my beloved wife jewelry - Swarovski FreyVille and others less known. Wonderful silver from the Moscow firm "Metaplastika. Very inexpensive (all at the price of gold, but good job, especially in their "Animal"). This - glamor and art, even art design. And you can see from the Turkish gold with diamonds at the price of jewelry. This is kitsch.

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30-07-2009, 12:59	Original language: Russian #3
Veronic Гуру Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Украина Мукачево, Венгрия Хевиз Posts: 2,165 Thanks: 1,793 Thanked 1,718 Times in 574 Posts Blog Entries: 4 Reputation: 2879	Ok, another question, and you think that completely without glamor life would be much more interesting, maybe even correct? Without design, advertising, beautiful clothes, bright colors? Всмысле if everything worked just naive and depressive forms?

30-07-2009, 13:04	Original language: Russian #4
Yaya Гуру Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Киев Posts: 1,514 Thanks: 891 Thanked 1,308 Times in 415 Posts Reputation: 7048	Veronic, for God's sake, do not be offended (although perhaps this is impossible), but what you show, it's not glamor. Is the most obknovenny kitsch.

30-07-2009, 13:25	Original language: Russian #8
Veronic Гуру Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Украина Мукачево, Венгрия Хевиз Posts: 2,165 Thanks: 1,793 Thanked 1,718 Times in 574 Posts Blog Entries: 4 Reputation: 2879	The problem is that many do not share the notion of kitsch (which also recently emerged as a style, and some of its deliberate use), and glamor. So I ask this question. Perhaps we can understand? Preferably without needing to insult And once again I repeat the question ..... Can we live without the beautiful stuff? Try women get rid of them!